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<p>Tony: /* Theory 1 */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> Currently, I have two theories:<br /> <br /> # Cost to bestow * 620<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''620 is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be Bestow cost * 620?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, '''110''' to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 62,000/620 = '''100'''<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, '''30''' to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 19,000/620 = '''30.6'''<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, '''120''' to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 76,000/620 = '''122'''<br /> <br /> The 620 value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> This works out at roughly (30 * Bestow cost) per stage, with impressed stages being counted as two stages. This is because there are 6 imbued stages, and 7 impressed, which works out at the equivalent of 20 imbued stages.<br /> <br /> Also, it's generally considered that you lose 5% on 'with ease' or 'very easily' prayer messages, so the number would probably look more like 600.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T13:22:06Z

<p>Tony: /* Conclusions, or end theories */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> Currently, I have two theories:<br /> <br /> # Cost to bestow * 620<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''620 is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be Bestow cost * 620?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 62,000/620 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 19,000/620 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 76,000/620 = 122<br /> <br /> The 620 value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> This works out at roughly (30 * Bestow cost) per stage, with impressed stages being counted as two stages. This is because there are 6 imbued stages, and 7 impressed, which works out at the equivalent of 20 imbued stages.<br /> <br /> Also, it's generally considered that you lose 5% on 'with ease' or 'very easily' prayer messages, so the number would probably look more like 600.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T13:21:32Z

<p>Tony: /* Theory 1 */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) * 1000 - otherwise stated as ~ 600 * bestow cost<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be Bestow cost * 620?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 62,000/620 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 19,000/620 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 76,000/620 = 122<br /> <br /> The 620 value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> This works out at roughly (30 * Bestow cost) per stage, with impressed stages being counted as two stages. This is because there are 6 imbued stages, and 7 impressed, which works out at the equivalent of 20 imbued stages.<br /> <br /> Also, it's generally considered that you lose 5% on 'with ease' or 'very easily' prayer messages, so the number would probably look more like 600.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T13:21:21Z

<p>Tony: /* Theory 1 */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) * 1000 - otherwise stated as ~ 600 * bestow cost<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be Bestow cost) * 620?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 62,000/620 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 19,000/620 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** 76,000/620 = 122<br /> <br /> The 620 value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> This works out at roughly (30 * Bestow cost) per stage, with impressed stages being counted as two stages. This is because there are 6 imbued stages, and 7 impressed, which works out at the equivalent of 20 imbued stages.<br /> <br /> Also, it's generally considered that you lose 5% on 'with ease' or 'very easily' prayer messages, so the number would probably look more like 600.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T10:44:05Z

<p>Tony: /* Conclusions, or end theories */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) * 1000 - otherwise stated as ~ 600 * bestow cost<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> The 62% value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> This works out at roughly (30 * Bestow cost) per stage, with impressed stages being counted as two stages. This is because there are 6 imbued stages, and 7 impressed, which works out at the equivalent of 20 imbued stages.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T10:34:30Z

<p>Tony: /* Theory 1 */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) * 1000<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> The 62% value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> This works out at roughly (30 * Bestow cost) per stage, with impressed stages being counted as two stages. This is because there are 6 imbued stages, and 7 impressed, which works out at the equivalent of 20 imbued stages.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T10:33:00Z

<p>Tony: /* Conclusions, or end theories */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) * 1000<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> The 62% value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T10:03:52Z

<p>Tony: /* Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) / 1000<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> The 62% value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T10:03:15Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>== Faith Rod Research ==<br /> <br /> === Conclusions, or end theories ===<br /> <br /> I currently have two theories:<br /> <br /> # (62% of Cost to bestow) / 1000<br /> # Base + (Ritual cost * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> Theory 1 looks most promising as it's the simplest (Occam's razor). There is also a modifier for your bonus in fa.it.rod which makes it cost less to charge with higher bonuses.<br /> <br /> '''62% is my value for a 250 fa.it.rod bonus'''<br /> <br /> See below for my calculations, theories, random waffle and data.<br /> <br /> Hope this is useful for someone. I've found that it's very time consuming to gather enough data on this, so will be ending my research here. Thanks for the support I've received, and keep on charging!<br /> <br /> === Theory 1 ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> The 62% value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> === Theory 2 ===<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ==== Calculations ====<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === The charging tables ===<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> ==== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 200 GP to perform<br /> * 110 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> ==== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ====<br /> <br /> * 10 GP to perform<br /> * 30 GP to bestow<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> ==== Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) ====<br /> <br /> * 120 GP to perform<br /> * 120 BP to bestow<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T09:52:04Z

<p>Tony: /* New theory? */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === New theory? ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> The 62% value is most likely to be the one that is modified by your fa.it.rod bonus. So tests at different bonuses may reveal more.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Imprint Detect Alignment again, but taking into account variance in results to generate an upper and lower bounds for the constants.<br /> * Imprint a ritual at around 100 GP<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> * Test different rod bonuses, first two stages of Detect Alignment should be enough, at bonuses of 150, 200, 250, 300, 350<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) ==<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T09:50:30Z

<p>Tony: /* Ongoing theories */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> === New theory? ===<br /> <br /> Could it be (62% of Bestow cost) * 1,000?<br /> <br /> * Endless Halls (200 to perform, 110 to bestow, 62,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (62,000/1000)/0.62 = 100<br /> * Detect Alignment (10 to perform, 30 to bestow, 19,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (19,000/1000)/0.62 = 30.6<br /> * Fumble (120 to perform, 120 to bestow, 76,000 to imprint)<br /> ** (76,000/1000)/0.62 = 122<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Imprint Detect Alignment again, but taking into account variance in results to generate an upper and lower bounds for the constants.<br /> * Imprint a ritual at around 100 GP<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> * Test different rod bonuses, first two stages of Detect Alignment should be enough, at bonuses of 150, 200, 250, 300, 350<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) ==<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-08T09:40:37Z

<p>Tony: /* Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Imprint Detect Alignment again, but taking into account variance in results to generate an upper and lower bounds for the constants.<br /> * Imprint a ritual at around 100 GP<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> * Test different rod bonuses, first two stages of Detect Alignment should be enough, at bonuses of 150, 200, 250, 300, 350<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) ==<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |22<br /> |7,700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18<br /> |6,300<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !217.1<br /> !76,000<br /> !350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-05T06:41:03Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Imprint Detect Alignment again, but taking into account variance in results to generate an upper and lower bounds for the constants.<br /> * Imprint a ritual at around 100 GP<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> * Test different rod bonuses, first two stages of Detect Alignment should be enough, at bonuses of 150, 200, 250, 300, 350<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> <br /> == Fumble (120 GP into a coral baton) ==<br /> <br /> This is starting to confuse matters, Fumble only costs 120 GP to perform, but is costing more to charge than Endless Halls (200 GP). The GP cost related to charging might actually be how much GP to '''bestow''', rather than perform.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Possibly over<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |13.1*<br /> |4,600<br /> |100<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |11<br /> |3,850<br /> |200<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !89.1<br /> !31,200<br /> !350<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-04T08:58:41Z

<p>Tony: /* Ongoing theories */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> '''Is it the cost to perform, or the cost to bestow that is important?'''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Imprint Detect Alignment again, but taking into account variance in results to generate an upper and lower bounds for the constants.<br /> * Imprint a ritual at around 100 GP<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> * Test different rod bonuses, first two stages of Detect Alignment should be enough, at bonuses of 150, 200, 250, 300, 350<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-03T09:05:27Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> '''Note: The calculations appear to also involve a modifier for your fa.it.rod bonus. All these calculations are done with a bonus of 252. Cinnamon did a quick test for me on a 354 bonus and showed that his charging costs for initial stages were about 10% less.'''<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the first stage (barely visible) requires an additional 25% than other imbued stages. The softly pulsing stage appears to be the same cost as the other impressed stages, although the rod only becomes impressed at 80% through.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Imprint Detect Alignment again, but taking into account variance in results to generate an upper and lower bounds for the constants.<br /> * Imprint a ritual at around 100 GP<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> * Test different rod bonuses, first two stages of Detect Alignment should be enough, at bonuses of 150, 200, 250, 300, 350<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/Faith_rods Faith rods 2009-07-02T20:28:46Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>The faith rods, maces, and flails are carriers for rituals allowing a player (priest or non-priest) to perform rituals they would otherwise not have at their disposition. The services that each item allows the player to request depends on which powers have been infused into them. Note that this system means that wizards, witches and any others not worshipping a god are unable to access the powers contained within the items.<br /> The rods need to be charged by a priest, then have to be consecrated to your God and charged in order to be of use for you. So when requesting a rod, please remember it's a VERY time consuming process!<br /> <br /> Rods (includes batons/canes/maces) need to be held to charge or perform the ritual(s) in them. This requires significant faith.item.rod skills - research is limited at present(see (and contribute to!) [[Bonuses For Faith Rods]]), but it appears that the minimum requirement to guarantee reasonable success in holding a rod is a similar bonus in fa.it.ro as the bonus in the skill(s) required to perform the ritual. This will be much higher if you are using a cane/mace/rod with multiple rituals.<br /> <br /> ===Some good old references===<br /> The [[Ancient Rods|ancient faith rods]] and how they used to work.<br /> <br /> The very first successful [[nonpishite res|resurrect by a non-Pishite]]: LaoTzu resses Sined.<br /> <br /> Early [[Datheds Rod Research|research]] into the gp used in charging new rods by Dathed.<br /> <br /> ===New research===<br /> <br /> Tony is currently [[User:Tony|researching the charging formula]] and looking for others to post some numbers too.<br /> <br /> ===Bestowing===<br /> <br /> You will need deity points, the ritual, and the relevant faith skills to put a ritual on a rod. You will need to find an empty "slot", and bestow the ritual into that slot. You can only put one copy of each ritual into each rod, and when you bestow it you will attempt to perform it normally, but with a success resulting in that ritual becoming imbued. Since bestowing costs DP it cannot be done by excommunicated priests! The different types of rod have affinities that suit some ritual types more than others (see [[List of Rods]]). It is much harder to bestow a ritual into a rod if it has a poor affinity for it.<br /> <br /> ===Scouring===<br /> <br /> If you have a faith rod with a certain ritual, but you want to get rid of the ritual, you have two options: ask a priest of a different god to re-consecrate the rod, or use your scour command. But beware, you might end up with less than you intended to!<br /> <br /> ===Performing===<br /> Using "perform <ritual> on <target> [using|from] <rod> " you can perform a ritual from a rod instead of from your mind. It'll still cost gp. If it's more than a one-shot imbue (see below), it'll also cost deity points. If the rod has the ritual, then you will be able to perform as though you had it yourself. You'll still need to be able to actually succeed in performing it, which will be harder than performing the ritual from your mind. <br /> <br /> Any follower or priest can perform rituals these ways. Since they use [[Deity points|deity points]], heretics are again excluded.<br /> <br /> ===Charging up the rod=== <br /> When you bestow a ritual into a rod, it can only be used once!! So if you perform the ritual, it will dissolve from the rod, leaving an empty slot. It can be made to be used multiple times by pouring guild point into the rod. You can do this by praying whilst holding the rod. If you're holding two rods, or a rod and beads, the gp invested will be split over the items. To be able to charge a rod, you will need to be a priest of the same deity as the rod to do this (use see consecration!). When you charge the rod, you will find that the ritual can be "imbued", "impressed" or "imprinted" into the rod.<br /> <br /> This means:<br /> <br /> *''imbued'': ritual can only be used once <br /> *''impressed'': ritual can be uses multiple times, but the ritual will disappear when you consecrate the rod to another deity <br /> *''imprinted'': ritual can be used multiple times and it will remain on the rod when reconsecrated <br /> When charging a rod, you'll see these levels of chargement:<br /> <br /> #imbued, barely visible light <br /> #imbued, faint light <br /> #imbued, dull light <br /> #imbued, pale light <br /> #imbued, dim light <br /> #imbued, moderate light <br /> #imbued, softly pulsing light <br /> <br /> "The <rod name> trembles momentarily as its bond with the ritual <ritual name> is strengthened."<br /> <br /> #impressed, softly pulsing light <br /> #impressed, brightly pulsing light <br /> #impressed, bright light <br /> #impressed, strong light <br /> #impressed, brilliant light <br /> #impressed, dazzling light <br /> #impressed, radiant light <br /> <br /> "The <rod name> throbs with power as its bond with the ritual <ritual name> is fastened tight."<br /> <br /> #imprinted - no light level!<br /> <br /> <br /> To reach the impressed stage, on a baton with good affinity, takes around 300 times the gp cost of the ritual itself. To imprint a ritual takes around an additional 450 times the gp cost, for a total of around 750 times the gp cost. If you are trying to charge a rod that has a poor affinity for a ritual, it will cost even more gp to charge. Charging rituals on multiple slot rods also takes longer.<br /> <br /> Charging up to and including "moderate light" takes around 45 times the ritual gp per visible stage of charging. Charging beyond this point takes around 60 times the ritual gp per visible stage of charging. The change from Imbued to Impressed takes place part way through the "softly pulsing light" stage.<br /> <br /> Using rods with affinity for a different type of ritual can increase the gp cost of charging by up to 100%. Using a rod with neutral affinity can increase the gp cost of charging by up to 44%.<br /> <br /> ===Transferring rods between gods=== <br /> Only followers and priests of the rod's deity can use a rod to cast rituals. But you can consecrate a rod to change its deity, and allow other gods to use the rituals. However, the rituals must be really well-connected (imprinted) to the rod to survive the consecration, else they will leave the rod. When you reconsecrate a rod, all rituals drop to the "imbued" level!! So you have to recharge the rod before being able to use it multiple times! <br /> <br /> When a rod changes deity, the new deity takes on the responsibility for paying for the deity point costs. <br /> <br /> ===Linked slots=== <br /> If you look at the rods, you'll see they have several slots in which you can put rituals. Some are dependent on others. You can only put a ritual in an empty slot which is not dependent on another empty slot. You can also only put rituals in slots which are smaller than the one in their linked slot. Bestowing a ritual on a rod will affect that rods affinity.<br /> <br /> If an imbued ritual is performed and leaves the rod, it'll empty all other slots dependent on it too. <br /> <br /> ===Different rods available===<br /> There's a wide variety of rods available on the Disc. There are rods with one, two, three or even four slots. The four slot rods are each unique to a certain npc of a God. (List courtesy of Nightcrawler)<br /> <br /> ;Spiked black pole - Kess of Sek <br /> ;Blue lacquered staff - Vy of Fish <br /> ;Speckled grey staff - Naefela of Gufnork <br /> ;Silver flail - Althea of Pishe <br /> ;Tasseled staff - Charisse of Gapp <br /> ;Marble sceptre - Hermal of Sandelfon <br /> ;Bronzed crook - Very Reverend Khepresh <br /> <br /> I'll probably be unable to list them all here, but Nightcrawler was so kind to provide me with [[List of Rods|this list of rods]].<br /> <br /> You will see that some rods have colours. Those colours indicate their affinity to certain types of rituals.</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T20:04:33Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. [[Datheds_Rod_Research|Dathed's initial research]] suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == My calculations and test results so far ==<br /> <br /> The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D<br /> <br /> === Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ===<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> === Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T20:00:15Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> So far, I have worked out that there are three constants involved in the charging process, and it looks like this:<br /> <br /> Base + (Ritual * Multiplier)<br /> <br /> It seems that the multiplier is doubled for the impressed stages, or in other words, each impressed stage is worth two imbued stages. Dathed's initial research suggested that there was no base cost, so I decided to test the theory again the lowest cost ritual - Detect Alignment (10 GP). If there were no base cost, then you'd be able to imprint that in a couple of prayers.<br /> <br /> Currently, I've narrowed the BASE down to somewhere around 800 GP per imbued stage, while the MULTIPLIER is between 10 and 15. Both these figures are doubled for impressed stages.<br /> <br /> As a rough guide, the following formula should be about right to '''imprint''' a faith rod:<br /> <br /> 15,000 + (Ritual * 200)<br /> <br /> So, a 40 GP ritual would require 23,000 GP in total, or the equivalent of 77 prayers at 300 GP each. That is just over 3 hours on a 4 GP regen, or just over 4 hours at a 3 GP regen.<br /> <br /> Based on this, if would take 9.5 hours of constant prayer at 4 GP regen to imprint the Resurrect ritual.<br /> <br /> ''This research isn't finished yet, though, I'll need to imprint a couple more rods of different ritual sizes to pin down the real value of these constants. I should say now that all prayers were successful, so this research doesn't take account of failed, or partial prayer.''<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> '''All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.'''<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T17:51:12Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off, second try:'''<br /> <br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 766 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 18,384 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 22.2) + 1688) * 7 = 43,106 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 766 + 18,384 + 43,106 = 62,256 (total all phases)<br /> 62,256 / 0.9 = 69,173 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Much better!''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> ''Round 2:''<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 0.25 = 239 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 11.1) + 844) * 6 = 5,730 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 22.2) + 1,688) * 7 = 13,370 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 239 + 5,730 + 13,370 = 19,339 (total all phases)<br /> 19,339 / 0.9 = 21,487 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> '''Ok, maybe not...'''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T17:38:57Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> ''"GP" = GP cost to perform ritual''<br /> <br /> My first guess was this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> After 2 rituals, the numbers look more like this:<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 844 + (GP * 11.1) for imbued stages<br /> * 1688 + (GP * 22.2) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off'''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T17:24:57Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'm testing the initial phases now.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !80.8<br /> !25,160<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !183.1<br /> !61,960<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> '''The answer is no, the constants must be slighty off'''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T17:20:54Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'm testing the initial phases now.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,410*<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T16:41:19Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'm testing the initial phases now.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T16:23:30Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * First stage is 25% more than the other imbued stages<br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'm testing the initial phases now.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.25 = 813 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 813 + 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,813 (total all phases)<br /> 65,813 / 0.9 = 73,125 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 73,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T16:20:49Z

<p>Tony: /* Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> * First stage is 20% more than the other imbued stages<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,000 (total all phases)<br /> 65,000 / 0.9 = 72,222 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 72,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 0.2 = 219 (additional 25% for first stage)<br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 219 + 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,719 (total all phases)<br /> 17,719 / 0.9 = 19,688 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T16:11:00Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> * First stage is 20% more than the other imbued stages<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |9.8*<br /> |3,450*<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,000 (total all phases)<br /> 65,000 / 0.9 = 72,222 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 72,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,500 (total all phases)<br /> 17,500 / 0.9 = 19,444 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T15:40:33Z

<p>Tony: /* Ongoing theories */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> * First stage is 20% more than the other imbued stages<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,000 (total all phases)<br /> 65,000 / 0.9 = 72,222 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 72,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,500 (total all phases)<br /> 17,500 / 0.9 = 19,444 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T15:39:48Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |12.4*<br /> |4,350*<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,000 (total all phases)<br /> 65,000 / 0.9 = 72,222 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 72,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,500 (total all phases)<br /> 17,500 / 0.9 = 19,444 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T15:18:27Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((200 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 19,500 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((200 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 45,500 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 19,500 + 45,500 = 65,000 (total all phases)<br /> 65,000 / 0.9 = 72,222 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''Will the above table show a total of around 72,000?''<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,500 (total all phases)<br /> 17,500 / 0.9 = 19,444 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T15:15:24Z

<p>Tony: /* Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Second (accurate) reading<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |1,233<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |1,044<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |1,040<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,500 (total all phases)<br /> 17,500 / 0.9 = 19,444 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T14:03:30Z

<p>Tony: /* Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> Breakdown of the calculations:<br /> <br /> ((10 * 12.5) + 750) * 6 = 5,250 (6 imbued phases)<br /> ((10 * 25) + 1,500) * 7 = 12,250 (7 impressed phases)<br /> 5,250 + 12,250 = 17,500 (total all phases)<br /> 17,500 / 0.9 = 19,444 (adjusted up to account for 10% loss to DP)<br /> <br /> ''That's pretty close to the 19,350 figure in the table above. Good data to support my calculations.''<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T13:12:25Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |18.3*<br /> |6,400*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T12:25:52Z

<p>Tony: /* Ongoing theories */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "GP" = GP cost to perform ritual<br /> <br /> * 750 + (GP * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 1500 + (GP * 25) for impressed stages (or twice the imbued cost)<br /> <br /> * Important to note: I believe only 90% of the prayer GP goes into the rod, whilst the other 10% is taken for Deity Points.<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T12:02:21Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |20<br /> |7,000<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T12:00:36Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Still to test ==<br /> <br /> * Exact amounts for a sample imbued and impressed stage<br /> * What percentage through the Softly pulsing stage does it impress?<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value here.<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T10:25:09Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value for hitting the imprinted stage.<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T10:22:40Z

<p>Tony: /* Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |6<br /> |2,100<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |4.3*<br /> |1,500*<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !55.3<br /> !19,350<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> * I stepped through prayers of 100 GP each to get a more accurate value for hitting the imprinted stage.<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T08:43:29Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T07:49:04Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My aim with this research is to imprint three rods with rituals of varying sizes (gp cost to perform) and discover the maths behind them. My first method is to simply count prayers of 350 GP each and note down these counts as each stage advances. Once I have some general figures, I shall go back and carefully analyse the individual stages to gain more exact figures for the final formulas.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-02T07:32:27Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T18:29:14Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> == Ongoing theories ==<br /> <br /> This following rabble may turn out to be rubbish, but I'll perfect the numbers as I gather more data on these two initial rods - Detect Alignment and Endless Halls.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T18:24:03Z

<p>Tony: /* Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T18:21:29Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall, although the artifact only becomes impressed 80-90% through this stage.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T18:18:04Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> Additionally, the Softly pulsing stage appears to be treated the same as the impressed stages overall.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Stage<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T17:55:32Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh Detect Alignment (10 GP ritual cost) baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP. That is most likely 1250 GP, as in 1000 + (10 * 12.5).<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T17:51:14Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> I just prayed into a fresh 'detect alignment' baton carefully up to 1400 GP. I think the 12.5 constant still applies, but we may need to account for 10% prayer GP going into the deity pool. This would make it 1260 GP to the baton and 140 GP to DP.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T17:15:39Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP.<br /> <br /> My current thinking is this:<br /> <br /> "Rit" = Ritual cost in GP<br /> <br /> * 1000 + (Rit * 12.5) for imbued stages<br /> * 2000 + (Rit * 25.0) for impressed stages<br /> * Something odd at the beginning, middle and end.<br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |1<br /> |350<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T17:09:22Z

<p>Tony: /* Current Faith Rod Research */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP. <br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |21<br /> |7,350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |4<br /> |1,400<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |3<br /> |1,050<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |5<br /> |1,750<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !22<br /> !7,700<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T14:34:41Z

<p>Tony: /* Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) */</p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP. <br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |21<br /> |7350<br /> |36.25<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into purple baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T13:44:02Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP. <br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> I only started keeping track when I hit the 'dim' status. I'll come back and test the initial phases afterwards.<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into purple baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony http://www.dwpriests.com/wiki/User:Tony User:Tony 2009-07-01T13:40:04Z

<p>Tony: </p> <hr /> <div>= Current Faith Rod Research =<br /> <br /> All prayers were 350 GP, so the GP totals could be off by up to 350 GP. <br /> <br /> == Endless Halls (200 GP) into a serrated baton (off aff) ==<br /> <br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |10<br /> |3,500<br /> |17.5<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |19<br /> |6,650<br /> |33.25<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |2<br /> |700<br /> |3.5<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Detect Alignment (10 GP) into purple baton (misc aff) ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rod charging table template ==<br /> {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"<br /> !Status<br /> !Prayer count<br /> !GP Total<br /> !Multiplier<br /> |-<br /> |Barely visible<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Faint<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dull<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Pale<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dim<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Moderate<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to impressed<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |-<br /> |Softly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brightly pulsing<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Bright<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Strong<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Brilliant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Dazzling<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |Radiant<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> !Total up to imprinted<br /> !<br /> !<br /> !<br /> |}</div>

Tony