= Effect of modifiers on GP use =

This test aims to show if the cost to imprint is dependant on the cost to bestow (factoring in modifiers)

== Test 1: Demoralise, with good modifiers ==

Bestow the ritual at my high altar, after recently praying.

Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 168 (414) Xp: 880752
It seems almost simple to bestow demoralise because you have chosen a receptacle which has good affinity with the ritual, you feel more comfortable praying indoors, you are in an area considered holy and you have been actively worshipping Sandelfon. However, this is somewhat negated by the fact that bestowing a ritual takes extra concentration.
You chant a psalm of acquirement into the serrated baton.
Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 163 (414) Xp: 881025

Neutral tactics, with 4gp regen, so that's (168 - (163 - 4)) = 9gp to bestow

Meditation after bestowing, and before prayer: "spent 133, would have added 673"
Meditation after imprinting: "added 236, would have added 1139"

That results in 835DP contributed.

Imprinting took 16 * 421gp prayers, which is 6736gp spent.

Prayer contributes 12.5% to the deity pool, so the numbers add up correctly there.

Imprinting this baton took anything from (15*421)gp to (16*421)gp, or from 6315gp and 6736gp

== Test 2: Demoralise, with bad modifiers ==

Bestow the ritual at another god's altar.

Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 414 (414) Xp: 915281
You find it decidedly more difficult to bestow demoralise because bestowing a ritual takes extra concentration and you are in an area consecrated to another God. However, this is partially mitigated by the fact that you have chosen a receptacle which has good affinity with the ritual, you feel more comfortable praying indoors and you are near a holy corridor.
You chant a psalm of acquirement into the serrated baton.
Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 407 (414) Xp: 915614

Neutral tactics, with 4gp regen, so that's (414 - (407 - 4)) = 11gp to bestow

Meditation after bestowing, and before prayer: "added 228, would have added 1139"
Meditation after imprinting: "added 336, would have added 1660"

That results in 108 + 521 = 629DP contributed

Imprinting took 15 * 421gp prayers, which is 6315gp spent.

Prayer contributes 12.5% to the deity pool, so ...?

Imprinting this baton took anything from (14*421)gp to (15*421)gp, or from 5894gp to 6315gp

== Conclusion ==

There was accuracy of only 1 prayer, so they could have cost the same amount (assuming a percentage of variation)

Seriously though - it was faster to imprint the baton that wasw bestowed at higher cost?

More data required.

User:Tonyogrey/Research/Performing Modifiers

2010-03-26T22:52:11Z

Tonyogrey: SEcond test, and conclusion

= Effect of modifiers on GP use =

TODO. Experiments showed that gp cost for most rituals were affected by the environment modifiers. Some rituals weren't affected though: dust devil, totem, more?

== Test 1: Demoralise, with good modifiers ==

Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 168 (414) Xp: 880752
It seems almost simple to bestow demoralise because you have chosen a receptacle which has good affinity with the ritual, you feel more comfortable praying indoors, you are in an area considered holy and you have been actively worshipping Sandelfon. However, this is somewhat negated by the fact that bestowing a ritual takes extra concentration.
You chant a psalm of acquirement into the serrated baton.
Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 163 (414) Xp: 881025

Neutral tactics, with 4gp regen, so that's (168 - (163 - 4)) = 9gp to bestow

Meditation after bestowing, and before prayer: "spent 133, would have added 673"
Meditation after imprinting: "added 236, would have added 1139"

That results in 835DP contributed.

Imprinting took 16 * 421gp prayers, which is 6736gp spent.

Prayer contributes 12.5% to the deity pool, so the numbers add up correctly there.

Imprinting this baton took anything from (15*421)gp to (16*421)gp, or from 6315gp and 6736gp

== Test 2: Demoralise, with bad modifiers ==

Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 414 (414) Xp: 915281
You find it decidedly more difficult to bestow demoralise because bestowing a ritual takes extra concentration and you are in an area consecrated to another God. However, this is partially mitigated by the fact that you have chosen a receptacle which has good affinity with the ritual, you feel more comfortable praying indoors and you are near a holy corridor.
You chant a psalm of acquirement into the serrated baton.
Hp: 2104 (2104) Gp: 407 (414) Xp: 915614

Neutral tactics, with 4gp regen, so that's (414 - (407 - 4)) = 11gp to bestow

Meditation after bestowing, and before prayer: "added 228, would have added 1139"
Meditation after imprinting: "added 336, would have added 1660"

That results in 108 + 521 = 629DP contributed

Imprinting took 15 * 421gp prayers, which is 6315gp spent.

Prayer contributes 12.5% to the deity pool, so ...?

Imprinting this baton took anything from (14*421)gp to (15*421)gp, or from 5894gp to 6315gp

== Conclusion ==

There was accuracy of only 1 prayer, so they could have cost the same amount (assuming a percentage of variation)

Seriously though - it was faster to imprint the baton that wasw bestowed at higher cost?

More data required.

2010-03-21T12:04:35Z

Tonyogrey:

Currently engaged in some research:

* [[User:Tonyogrey/Research/GP_Costs|GP cost difference bestow vs. perform]]
* [[User:Tonyogrey/Research/Performing_Modifiers|Modifier effect on gp cost]]

User:Tonyogrey/Research

2010-03-21T12:03:31Z

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User:Tonyogrey/Research/Performing Modifiers

2010-03-21T12:03:13Z

Tonyogrey: Created page with '= Effect of modifiers on GP use = TODO. Experiments showed that gp cost for most rituals were affected by the environment modifiers. Some rituals weren't affected though: dust d…'

= Effect of modifiers on GP use =

TODO. Experiments showed that gp cost for most rituals were affected by the environment modifiers. Some rituals weren't affected though: dust devil, totem, more?

User:Tonyogrey/Research/GP Costs

2010-03-21T12:01:56Z

Tonyogrey: Created page with '= GP costs for rituals = == The Theory == The theory is that rituals have different gp costs for performing/rod bestowing/ward bestowing. It has been noticed that some rituals …'

User:Tonyogrey

2010-03-21T12:01:29Z

Tonyogrey:

Currently engaged in some research:

* [[User:Tonyogrey/Research/GP_Costs|GP costs for performing/bestowing/warding aren't always the same]]
* [[User:Tonyogrey/Research/Performing_Modifiers|GP cost for performing is based on modifiers]] (except some rituals)

2010-03-21T10:24:45Z

Tonyogrey: Created page with 'Performance example: Oasis: Hp: 2091 (2104) Gp: 421 (421) Xp: 524647 The handsome sheep shearer asks with a Sto Plains accent: How do? You are finding it a bit more difficul…'

Performance example:

Oasis:

Hp: 2091 (2104) Gp: 421 (421) Xp: 524647
The handsome sheep shearer asks with a Sto Plains accent: How do?
You are finding it a bit more difficult to perform major shield because you are far from a holy corridor.
You speak a short prayer.
Hp: 2094 (2104) Gp: 303 (421) Xp: 526480
The handsome sheep shearer punches at you but your skin absorbs some of the blow.
Hp: 2077 (2104) Gp: 307 (421) Xp: 526483

So perform = 421 - (303 - 4) = 122

High altar:

Hp: 2084 (2104) Gp: 188 (421) Xp: 529647
The handsome sheep shearer asks with a Sto Plains accent: How do?
It seems quite a bit easier to perform major shield because you feel more comfortable praying indoors and you are in an area considered holy.
You speak a short prayer.
Hp: 2087 (2104) Gp: 82 (421) Xp: 530123
The handsome sheep shearer punches at you but your skin absorbs most of the blow.
You call upon Sandelfon to protect a handsome sheep shearer.
Hp: 2089 (2104) Gp: 86 (421) Xp: 530126

So perform = 188 - (82 - 4) = 110

Talk:Faith Rods/Bestowal Costs

2010-03-21T10:24:34Z

2010-02-19T16:22:42Z

Tonyogrey: Created page with '= Overview = The following research intends to dispel a number of myths (or perhaps simply out of date facts). The previous theories are as follows: * Holding beads and faith r…'

= Overview =

The following research intends to dispel a number of myths (or perhaps simply out of date facts). The previous theories are as follows:

* Holding beads and faith rod results in GP shared amongst them
* Cost to imprint is 750 x ritual performance GP
* Rod bonus affects cost to imprint.

My research has proven the first two wrong, and intends to clarify the third. The facts are now:

* '''Holding beads and a faith rod charges the faith rod, not the beads'''
* '''Cost to imprint is 620 x ritual bestowal gp'''

It was always common wisdom to unhold your beads when charging up a rod. This appears to be unnecessary now. However, if you want to put charge in your beads, don't hold a faith rod - unless already imprinted.

Firstly, the beads and faith rod research...

= Holding beads and a faith rod =

I imprinted a small ritual, Detect Alignment, while holding a fresh set of beads - tracking the charge levels at every prayer. I used a fresh set of pre-consecrated beads for each test.

For the first test, I held the fresh beads, and a freshly bestowed baton, and performed 18,500gp of prayer. The baton charged up to imprinted at a rate consistent with normal charging values. The beads didn't change their charge level at all (neither the brightness, nor invocation count)

To clarify, the beads remained at "pale, flickering holy aura instilled by the occasional invocation"

The second test involved holding the other fresh set of beads, and no baton. After 2,500gp of prayer, the beads had reached the 4th stage of charge, and I aborted the full 18,500gp test with these early results

To clarify, the beads went from
"pale, flickering holy aura instilled by the occasional invocation"
to
"unsteady holy aura instilled by the few invocations"

= The charging tables =

The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D

So, here's an overview of the following charging tables, looking at the costs of performing and bestowing the rituals, compared to the cost of imprinting. It looks like '''620''' might be the magic factor here

There is enough of a difference in the calculated and recorded figures to suggest that the rod bonus is responsible. The differences are consistent with common knowledge regarding the charging messages (very easily/with ease and the blank message) indicating 0 to 5% gp waste.

As a final note, the following rituals were imprinted with a 250 rod bonus in July 2009. I repeated the Detect Alignment measurements with a 350 rod bonus recently (February 2010) and found the same gp cost to imprint. I intend to retest the other two, but I expect to merely reduce the percentage waste.

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Ritual
!Perform GP
!Bestow GP
!Real Imprint Cost
!Bestow GP x 620
!Difference
!Difference %
|-
|Detect Alignment
|10
|30
|19,350
|18,600
|750
|4.03%
|-
|Endless Halls
|200
|110
|61,960
|62,000
| -40
| -0.06%
|-
|Fumble
|120
|120
|76,000
|74,400
|1,600
|2.15%
|}

== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==

* 10 GP to perform
* 30 GP to bestow

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Stage
!Prayer count
!GP Total
|-
|Barely visible
|4
|1,400
|-
|Faint
|3
|1,050
|-
|Dull
|2
|700
|-
|Pale
|3
|1,050
|-
|Dim
|2
|700
|-
|Moderate
|3
|1,050
|-
|Softly pulsing
|5
|1,750
|-
!Total up to impressed
!22
!7,700
|-
|Softly pulsing
|1
|350
|-
|Brightly pulsing
|5
|1,750
|-
|Bright
|6
|2,100
|-
|Strong
|5
|1,750
|-
|Brilliant
|6
|2,100
|-
|Dazzling
|6
|2,100
|-
|Radiant
|4.3*
|1,500*
|-
!Total up to imprinted
!55.3
!19,350
|}

== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ==

* 200 GP to perform
* 110 GP to bestow

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Stage
!Prayer count
!GP Total
|-
|Barely visible
|12.4*
|4,350*
|-
|Faint
|9.8*
|3,450*
|-
|Dull
|9.8*
|3,450*
|-
|Pale
|9.8*
|3,410*
|-
|Dim
|10
|3,500
|-
|Moderate
|10
|3,500
|-
|Softly pulsing
|19
|6,650
|-
!Total up to impressed
!80.8
!25,160
|-
|Softly pulsing
|2
|700
|-
|Brightly pulsing
|21
|7,350
|-
|Bright
|21
|7,350
|-
|Strong
|19
|6,650
|-
|Brilliant
|21
|7,350
|-
|Dazzling
|20
|7,000
|-
|Radiant
|18.3*
|6,400*
|-
!Total up to imprinted
!183.1
!61,960
|}

== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ==

* 120 GP to perform
* 120 BP to bestow

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Stage
!Prayer count
!GP Total
!Possibly over
|-
|Barely visible
|13.1*
|4,600
|100
|-
|Faint
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Dull
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Pale
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Dim
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Moderate
|11
|3,850
|200
|-
|Softly pulsing
|21
|7,350
|350
|-
!Total up to impressed
!89.1
!31,200
!350
|-
|Softly pulsing
|2
|700
|350
|-
|Brightly pulsing
|21
|7,350
|350
|-
|Bright
|22
|7,700
|350
|-
|Strong
|22
|7,700
|350
|-
|Brilliant
|22
|7,700
|350
|-
|Dazzling
|21
|7,350
|350
|-
|Radiant
|18
|6,300
|350
|-
!Total up to imprinted
!217.1
!76,000
!350
|}