Alignment - Revision history

Tozan at 07:07, 13 February 2013

2013-02-13T07:07:39Z

Ilde: /* Other, more restrictive methods */

2012-01-15T01:14:35Z

‎Other, more restrictive methods

Ilde: /* Praying and burial commands */

2011-09-11T03:15:04Z

‎Praying and burial commands

Ilde: /* Newbie coffers */ This seems to no longer work, but leaving info (commented out) just in case

2010-09-04T08:11:17Z

‎Newbie coffers: This seems to no longer work, but leaving info (commented out) just in case

Caecilian at 06:41, 3 January 2010

2010-01-03T06:41:53Z

Ilde: edit for accuracy

2009-12-31T00:23:27Z

edit for accuracy

Ilde: /* Burning things in Sek's fire pit */ fixing link

2009-12-23T11:36:33Z

‎Burning things in Sek's fire pit: fixing link

Ilde: /* Burning things in Sek's fire pit */ cleaning this up a bit and adding detail

2009-12-23T11:35:03Z

‎Burning things in Sek's fire pit: cleaning this up a bit and adding detail

Ilde: /* Using Sarilak */ adding warning about Sarilak droping itself

2009-12-22T00:56:22Z

‎Using Sarilak: adding warning about Sarilak droping itself

Ilde: /* Burning things in Sek's fire pit */

2009-12-18T04:07:37Z

‎Burning things in Sek's fire pit

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 ===Praying and burial commands===
-Pray and the burial commands affect your alignment directly, moving it towards your deity's ideal alignment. How good they are at moving your alignment is dependent on what skill you have in the [[faith.rituals.special]] skill, and can be very efficient at changing the alignment with a good bonus.
+[[Pray]] and the [[Ritual_burial|burial]] commands affect your alignment directly, moving it towards your deity's ideal alignment. How good they are at moving your alignment is dependent on what skill you have in the [[faith.rituals.special]] skill, and can be very efficient at changing the alignment with a good bonus.
 Pray seems to be more effective when you are far out of alignment than when you are close, while the burial commands seem to be fairly effective no matter what your alignment is.
-Someone else--a follower or priest of the same diety--can pray for you to help you move your alignment.
+Someone else--a follower or priest of the same deity--can pray for you to help you move your alignment.
 ===Newbie coffers===
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 Shattering a relic seems to be an act that isn't inherently good or evil, but rather one that depends on what your own deity's ideal alignment is.  For example, Sekkites who shatter Gufnorkian relics will get more evil, while Pishites who shatter Gufnorkian relics will get more good if they're under perfect alignment (since, despite Gufnork being good, Gufnork is still ''more evil than Pishe'').
-Though shattering relics can get you out of alignment (if shattering the relic gives you more of an alignment shift than you actually needed), it seems to be difficult or impossible to get ''too'' far out of alignment that way.  If you're too good for your deity, shattering the relic of one who's eviller than yours will not make you even more good and bring you further out of alignment--it will simply have no effect.  One possibility is that you don't get the alignment shift if your own deity's ideal alignment is between your own current alignment and the ideal alignment of the deity whose relic you're shattering. (I.e: for a Pishite (ideal alignment 25-26 good) who's 27 degrees good, shattering a relic of any type except Pishite would have no effect, since 25-26 good is between 27 good and any other god's ideal alignment.)
+Though shattering relics can get you out of alignment (if shattering the relic gives you more of an alignment shift than you actually needed), it seems to be difficult or impossible to get ''too'' far out of alignment that way.  If you're too good for your deity, shattering the relic of one who's more evil than yours will not make you even more good and bring you further out of alignment--it will simply have no effect.  One possibility is that you don't get the alignment shift if your own deity's ideal alignment is between your own current alignment and the ideal alignment of the deity whose relic you're shattering. (I.e: for a Pishite (ideal alignment 25-26 good) who's 27 degrees good, shattering a relic of any type except Pishite would have no effect, since 25-26 good is between 27 good and any other god's ideal alignment.)
 In sum, assuming all this is right: if you're too good for your deity, shatter relics of deities who are more good-aligned than yours.  If you're too evil, shatter relics of deities who are more evil-aligned than yours.

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 ===Other, more restrictive methods===
-*Performing Resurrect makes you more good.
+*Performing Resurrect makes you more good, by about a degree.
 *Certain quests change your alignment, though obviously this a one-time-only thing. For at least some of these, there are both good and evil options for completing the quest (which may not be mentioned on quest solution pages).
 *If you're still in Pumpkin Town, you can drown or rescue beetles in the priests' guild hut to make yourself up to about 25 degrees good or evil. ([[Research and Ideas/Alignment and Effects by Ilde#Alignments_reachable_in_Pumpkin_Town|See here]].)

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	Pray seems to be more effective when you are far out of alignment than when you are close, while the burial commands seem to be fairly effective no matter what your alignment is.		Pray seems to be more effective when you are far out of alignment than when you are close, while the burial commands seem to be fairly effective no matter what your alignment is.
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		+	Someone else--a follower or priest of the same diety--can pray for you to help you move your alignment.

	===Newbie coffers===		===Newbie coffers===

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 ===Newbie coffers===
-You can also move your alignment towards a given deity's ideal alignment by putting things in the newbie coffer for that deity (as long as you can't also take things out of that coffer).  However, the items may need to match the deity whose coffer it is--putting in items that are consecrated to another deity (e.g., putting Fish-consecrated prayer beads in the Sek coffer), or items that don't come consecrated, seems to have no effect on alignment.  (It's possible they need to be priestly items (relics, prayer beads, prayer books, holy symbols, and possibly incense and holy amulets), since just taking something unconsecrated and consecrating it doesn't seem to mean that putting that item in a newbie coffer has any effect.)  It doesn't seem to matter how close to the deity's ideal alignment you already are.  More expensive items, or possibly just holier items, may work better:
+Putting priestly things in newbie coffers used to be a way to change your alignment, but it no longer seems to work after certain holy items getting a price cut.  This has not, however, been extensively tested.
 * Relics appear to move your alignment by nearly three degrees (at least 2.8, but slightly less than three, it seems), making them the most effective found so far.
 * Prayer beads are worth around 4/5 of a degree.
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 [[Research_and_Ideas/Changing_Your_Alignment_by_Ilde#Putting_things_in_newbie_coffers|Supporting research]].
 ===Shattering relics===

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 ====Burning things in Sek's fire pit====
-Burning things in the fire pit in Sek's temple in Djelibeybi has a small effect on alignment, appearing to make someone about 1/40 of a degree more evil per object.  The syntax for this is "burn <object> in {pit|fire pit|firepit}".
+Burning things in the fire pit in Sek's temple in Djelibeybi (northwest part of the main hall) has a small effect on alignment, appearing to make someone about 1/40 of a degree more evil per object.  The syntax for this is "burn <object> in {pit|fire pit|firepit}".
 It appears that all edible items may be burnt: this includes paper, most body parts, fluff, and food.

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−	To be able to use the abilities given to you by your god, you need to remain within your given alignment. Being near the edge of alignment will make performing rituals harder, and being out of alignment will make performing rituals impossible. You will also be unable to enter the temple vestry to advance or get back rituals after death if you are out of alignment. The first warning that you're getting out of alignment is when "score align" says your deity is "pleased" with you (as opposed to "very happy"). At a certain point after that, you'll start seeing the message that it's more difficult to perform rituals "because you can barely feel the presence of [deity]". With lower levels of [[faith.rituals.special]], you'll also see messages that you "find yourself slightly distracted from your prayers" or "find it hard to keep [deity] in your thoughts as you pray" while praying when you're starting to get out of alignment. The three main ways to remain in alignment are pray, the burial commands, and by ~~keeping careful note~~ of ~~what NPCs you kill~~.	+	To be able to use the abilities given to you by your god, you need to remain within your given alignment. Being near the edge of alignment will make performing rituals harder, and being out of alignment will make performing rituals impossible. You will also be unable to enter the temple vestry to advance or get back rituals after death if you are out of alignment. The first warning that you're getting out of alignment is when "score align" says your deity is "pleased" with you (as opposed to "very happy"). At a certain point after that, you'll start seeing the message that it's more difficult to perform rituals "because you can barely feel the presence of [deity]". With lower levels of [[faith.rituals.special]], you'll also see messages that you "find yourself slightly distracted from your prayers" or "find it hard to keep [deity] in your thoughts as you pray" while praying when you're starting to get out of alignment. The three main ways to remain in alignment are pray, the ritual burial commands, and by killing npcs of an appropriate alignment.

	===Killing things===		===Killing things===

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 It is possible to go significantly past ideal Sekkite alignment this way.
-(This has been [[Changing_Your_Alignment_by_Ilde#Burning_things_in_the_Sek_fire_pit tested]] with a sekkite character burning cigarette paper, cabbages, and various human body parts.  It's unknown whether the alignment shift is the same for all priesthoods.)
+(This has been [[Research_and_Ideas/Changing_Your_Alignment_by_Ilde#Burning_things_in_the_Sek_fire_pit | tested]] with a Sekkite character burning cigarette paper, cabbages, and various human body parts.  It's unknown whether the alignment shift is the same for all priesthoods.)
 ====Putting fluff on Gufnork's altar====

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 ====Burning things in Sek's fire pit====
-Burning things in the fire pit in Sek's temple in Djelibeybi has a small effect on alignment, appearing to make someone more evil.  The syntax for this is "burn <object> in {pit|fire pit|firepit}".
+Burning things in the fire pit in Sek's temple in Djelibeybi has a small effect on alignment, appearing to make someone about 1/40 of a degree more evil per object.  The syntax for this is "burn <object> in {pit|fire pit|firepit}".
-Fluff may be burnt.
+It appears that all edible items may be burnt: this includes paper, most body parts, fluff, and food.
-Most human body parts may be burnt, excepting skulls, teeth, legs, and ribs.
+It is possible to go significantly past ideal Sekkite alignment this way.
-Animal body parts appear to also be burnable, for the most part.
+(This has been [[Changing_Your_Alignment_by_Ilde#Burning_things_in_the_Sek_fire_pit tested]] with a sekkite character burning cigarette paper, cabbages, and various human body parts.  It's unknown whether the alignment shift is the same for all priesthoods.)
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-Pieces of paper may be burnt.
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-Food may be burnt.
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-Other objects may also work, but have not been tested.  The rule seems to be that edible objects may be burnt.
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-Non-Sekkites get a message that Sek doesn't care about them or the offering, but it still appears to make them more evil.
 ====Putting fluff on Gufnork's altar====

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	(Comparison with killing the same types of things using a regular weapon to follow at some later point.)		(Comparison with killing the same types of things using a regular weapon to follow at some later point.)
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		+	Note that if you are at all good, Sarilak will jump out of your hands, landing on the ground, as soon as you start fighting.