Find Corpse - Revision history

Ksielvin: Confirmed learning at level 60 fa.ri.mi.ta for Hat.

2014-07-05T16:14:07Z

Confirmed learning at level 60 fa.ri.mi.ta for Hat.

Zexium: /* Messages */ direction

2010-12-06T00:02:26Z

‎Messages: direction

Zexium: /* Help File Note */ fixed the update

2010-11-11T22:30:53Z

‎Help File Note: fixed the update

Zexium: /* Help File Note */ updated

2010-11-11T22:26:06Z

‎Help File Note: updated

Zexium: FC uses 40 gp near as I can tell, see discussion

2010-07-21T22:58:49Z

FC uses 40 gp near as I can tell, see discussion

Zexium: /* Help File Note */ comments on npk find corpse for pk

2010-07-01T12:43:22Z

‎Help File Note: comments on npk find corpse for pk

Ilde: /* Messages */ more detail for some, correcting position of "almost imperceptibly", bonus does not appear to affect ranges

2010-01-14T02:33:49Z

‎Messages: more detail for some, correcting position of "almost imperceptibly", bonus does not appear to affect ranges

Ilde: /* Messages */ adding indolently

2009-12-20T21:17:52Z

‎Messages: adding indolently

Ilde: /* Messages */ fixing ranges

2009-12-17T09:32:15Z

‎Messages: fixing ranges

Ilde: /* Messages */

2009-12-17T09:20:40Z

‎Messages

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 | name=Find Corpse
 | gp=40
-| learntat=60/??? in [[faith.rituals.misc.target]] or ???
+| learntat=60 in [[faith.rituals.misc.target]]
 | skills=[[faith.rituals.misc.area]]
 | grantedby=[[Pishe]] and [[Hat]]
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 = Learnt At =
 [[Category:Rituals with conflicting or dubious learnt at information]]
-* [[faith.rituals.misc.target]] level 60 ([[Pishe]])
+* [[faith.rituals.misc.target]] level 60 ([[Pishe]] and [[Hat]])
-* ??? level ??? ([[Hat]])
 = Skills Used =

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 * steadily: just outside the city with the corpse, ''or'' 1 - 5 rooms away from the terrain room with the corpse
 * ponderously: up to about 10 rooms away from the city with the corpse, ''or'' 6 - 14 rooms away from the terrain room with the corpse
-* gradually: more than about ten rooms away from the city with the corpse (or if the corpse is in a terrain room, 15 or more rooms away from the corpse) and up to the distance between AM and Sto Lat
+* gradually: more than about ten rooms away from the city with the corpse (or if the corpse is in a terrain room, 15 or more rooms away from the corpse) and up to 50 rooms or so.
 * almost imperceptibly: can take up Find's "gradually" range and then some (up to 440 miles away)
 * slowly: about the distance from AM to Gloomy, OC, Lancre Town, or Djelibeybi
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 If there are multiple corpses, there's also a possibility you'll get a message for each one.  This may be skill-based.
 = Granted By =

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 By Zexium:
-The question of when a PlayerKiller interaction with a corpse is over is often a complex one, it is not unheard of for a PlayerKiller to move their victims corpse and leave it in a remote location, and then claim the interaction is ongoing even though they have left the corpse.
+The question of when a PlayerKiller interaction with a corpse is over has in the past been complex, however recent changes have simplified it greatly.
 Following the change to PK corpses that makes it impossible to drag a PK corpse without the owners permission, it is my belief that it is always permissible to use find corpse to (a) locate a PK corpse to find the ghost for resurrection and (b) to locate a corpse if the owner has lost it.

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 The question of when a PlayerKiller interaction with a corpse is over is often a complex one, it is not unheard of for a PlayerKiller to move their victims corpse and leave it in a remote location, and then claim the interaction is ongoing even though they have left the corpse.
-I tend to use the following principles:
+Following the change to PK corpses that makes it impossible to drag a PK corpse without the owners permission, it is my belief that it is always permissible to use find corpse to (a) locate a PK corpse to find the ghost for resurrection and (b) to locate a corpse if the owner has lost it.
-. If an aggressor (or any aggressor if there were more than one) states that they have no objection to you helping the recently deceased locate their corpse, then you may do so.
+However, it would generally be inappropriate to use find corpse to assist another PK in locating the deceased's corpse if the other PK had hostile intentions, such as looting the corpse.
-−
-. The only PlayerKiller(s) who can have a legitimate interaction with a corpse are those involved in killing the player concerned.
-−
-. If a corpse has been abandoned by all those who might have a legitimate interaction with it, then there is no longer an interaction taking place.
-−
-It can be useful to longsight or scry the aggressor(s) involved to determine whether they are in fact still in the presence of the corpse concerned (because sometimes they do lie), it is also possible to compare the find results on the PlayerKillers and the find corpse result. If the aggressor(s) are all to your North-West, and the corpse is to your South-East, then the aggressor(s) are no longer interacting with the corpse. Note that these techniques may require the use of faith rods and / or a Crystal Ball.
-−
-Obviously you should not inform the victim of the details of your checks, such as the locations of the aggressor(s), but provided you are satisfied that any interaction with the corpse is complete, you should not feel inhibited from assisting the recently deceased in finding their previously vacated body.
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 {{RitualInfoBox
 | name=Find Corpse
-| gp=30
+| gp=40
 | learntat=60/??? in [[faith.rituals.misc.target]] or ???
 | skills=[[faith.rituals.misc.area]]

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 = Help File Note =
-Non-playerkillers (NPKs) should not use this ritual to find playerkiller (PK) corpses without first ensuring that the deceased PK has not lost their corpse as a part of an ongoing PK interaction.
 If in doubt, you should speak with the deceased PK and whoever moved the corpse in order to ensure that you have permission from the person who moved it to help the deceased find it again.
 If unsure as to whether finding a PK corpse is permissable, it is better to err on the side of caution and either verify first with a liaison that it is alright in this situation or to not search for the corpse at all.
 = Example =

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 = Messages =
-In order of closest to furthest away, the messages are:
+Some city rooms are further apart than others, so the results you get when you and the corpse are in the same city will vary depending on where you are.  In order of closest to furthest away, the messages are:
 * hangs perfectly still: In the same room
-* rapidly: either 1 room away in the same city, in the same building, or just outside the building.
+* rapidly: either 1 room away in AM, in the same building, or just outside the building.
-* hastily: 2 - 5 rooms away in the same city
+* hastily: 2 - 5 rooms away in AM, or 1 - 2 rooms away in BP
-* hurriedly: 6 - 21 rooms away in the same city
+* hurriedly: 6 - 21 rooms away in AM, or 3 - 10 rooms away in BP
-* swiftly: 22 - ? rooms away in the same city
+* swiftly: 22 - ? rooms away in AM, or 11 - 20 rooms away in BP
-* quickly: from about halfway across AM to about three-fourths of the way across AM, in the same city
+* quickly: from about halfway across AM to about three-fourths of the way across AM, or about 21 - 33 rooms away in BP
-* briskly: from about three-fourths of the way across AM to at least the entire distance across AM, in the same city
+* briskly: from about three-fourths of the way across AM to at least the entire distance across AM, or about 34 - 50 rooms away in BP
-* ?
+* deliberately: 51 rooms away or more in BP
 * steadily: just outside the city with the corpse, ''or'' 1 - 5 rooms away from the terrain room with the corpse
 * ponderously: up to about 10 rooms away from the city with the corpse, ''or'' 6 - 14 rooms away from the terrain room with the corpse
 * gradually: more than about ten rooms away from the city with the corpse (or if the corpse is in a terrain room, 15 or more rooms away from the corpse) and up to the distance between AM and Sto Lat
-* almost imperceptibly: more than the distance between AM and Sto lat, somewhat less than the distance between AM and Gloomy Forest
+* almost imperceptibly: can take up Find's "gradually" range and then some (up to 440 miles away)
 * slowly: about the distance from AM to Gloomy, OC, Lancre Town, or Djelibeybi
 * indolently: about the distance from DJB to OC or Escrow
 * sluggishly: about the distance from AM to Genua or Bes Pelargic
-* ?
+* almost imperceptibly: about the distance from BP to Genua or west of DJB - very probably the largest range.
-(These messages are what you get for around a 224 bonus in fa.ri.mi.area.  It's unknown whether their ranges change for different bonuses.)
+Find Corpse appears to use the same messages as [[Find]], ''until'' somewhere in the "ponderously" stage.  After this point, performing Find and Find Corpse on a living thing and a corpse in the same room can give different results.  They seem to go back to using the same messages at the beginning of the "slowly" range.
 Sometimes you may also get a message of "swings wildly in every direction".  This happens when: