Followers - Revision history

Myrthra: created "Choosing a god to follow", renamed "Where to go for what" to "Learning rituals and skills" because of potential ambiguity, also enhanced that paragraph.

2016-08-13T14:01:59Z

created "Choosing a god to follow", renamed "Where to go for what" to "Learning rituals and skills" because of potential ambiguity, also enhanced that paragraph.

Ilde: /* How to worship a god */

2012-03-01T23:23:27Z

‎How to worship a god

Ilde: /* Changing gods */

2012-03-01T20:31:41Z

‎Changing gods

Ilde: /* Changing gods */

2012-03-01T20:26:57Z

‎Changing gods

Ilde: /* Changing gods */

2012-03-01T20:21:42Z

‎Changing gods

Ilde: /* Changing gods */

2012-03-01T20:19:12Z

‎Changing gods

Ilde: rewrite to reflect changes!

2012-03-01T19:27:05Z

rewrite to reflect changes!

Iatemycat: /* Zeus, the Swift Assassin of Raven House */

2011-11-06T14:11:14Z

‎Zeus, the Swift Assassin of Raven House

Fionna at 22:50, 6 March 2010

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Cinnamon at 11:48, 3 November 2008

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 In order to worship a god, you'll need to declare your faithfulness to Him/Her. This can be done by "pray"ing to the god of your choice at one of His/Her high altars. To find the closest temple to you, consult one of many great Discworld maps.  Their general locations are [[Gods#Places_of_interest|listed on the "Gods" page]].
-= Where to go for what? =
+= Choosing a god to follow =
-Now that's fairly straightforward: you can learn your rituals from an instructor in the vestry of any temple of your god. You can learn some basic faith levels at your own guild, but to be able to use your rituals reliably, you will need to learn additional levels from a friendly priest.
+Which god you choose to follow defines a number of things - most importantly, the rituals you can learn (see below). The god-related bonuses (see [[Gods]]) also apply, which means a follower of Sek receives a bonus when performing in combat, Gufnorkian followers do when carrying fluffy items, and so on. Lastly, performing rituals from faith rods consecrated to the god you follow also uses that god's [[Deity_points|deity point pool]].
 = What's in it for me? =

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 = How to worship a god =
-In order to worship a god, you'll need to declare your faithfulness to Him/Her. This can be done by "pray"ing to the god of your choice at one of His/Her high altars. To find the closest temple to you, consult one of many great Discworld maps.
+In order to worship a god, you'll need to declare your faithfulness to Him/Her. This can be done by "pray"ing to the god of your choice at one of His/Her high altars. To find the closest temple to you, consult one of many great Discworld maps.  Their general locations are [[Gods#Places_of_interest|listed on the "Gods" page]].
 = Where to go for what? =

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 *Spend some time (thirty real-world days at minimum) [[pray]]ing to the new god at their high altar (or having others of the faith you're trying to join pray for you) and paying your respects (in the form of cold, hard cash) at their high altar.  You need to pray ''and'' pay money.
 To pray to your new god, you must be at one of their high altars, and you must "pray to <deity>".  This uses gp in the usual manner.
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 You pay your respects to Gapp.</pre>
 If you go to a high altar of your new god and "supplicate <deity>" after you've started the process, you get a message about how far along you are.  From least to most, these are:
 *Just started: A hollow voice echoes sadly in your mind: You didn't show a lot of faith yet.
 ==Help file==

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 = Changing gods =
 It is possible for followers (and only followers) to change gods.  To do this, it is necessary to:
 *First, "renounce faith" at your old god's high altar.  This removes you from their flock, causing you to forget the pray command and any rituals you know.
 *Next, go to the high altar of the god whose flock you wish to join and "supplicate <deity>".
-*Spend some time (thirty real-world days at minimum) [[pray]]ing to the new god at their high altar (or having others of the faith you're trying to join pray for you) and paying your respects (in the form of cold, hard cash) at their high altar.
+*Spend some time (thirty real-world days at minimum) [[pray]]ing to the new god at their high altar (or having others of the faith you're trying to join pray for you) and paying your respects (in the form of cold, hard cash) at their high altar.  You need to pray ''and'' pay money.
 To pray to your new god, you must be at one of their high altars, and you must "pray to <deity>".  This uses gp in the usual manner.
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 While you're supplicating, you don't seem to be considered a member of the faith yet.  Typing "score align" will say you are "not worried about the approval of any deity at all" (as with people who haven't joined a faith).  You also don't get access to worshipper-only areas and don't show up in "who <deity>".
 It's still unclear:

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 *Spend some time (thirty real-world days at minimum) [[pray]]ing to the new god at their high altar (or having others of the faith you're trying to join pray for you) and paying your respects (in the form of cold, hard cash) at their high altar.
-It's still unclear:
+To pray to your new god, you must be at one of their high altars, and you must "pray to <deity>".  This uses gp in the usual manner.
-*How much you must pray before becoming a full member of the faith.  Ditto paying respects.
-*Whether there's a difference between praying yourself and having others pray for you.
-*How much of a difference there is between changing your faith a little and changing it a lot.
-*Whether there's still a requirement for frequency of prayer/offerings.
-*Whether there's still a requirement for online time.
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-To pray to your new god, you must be at one of their high altars, and you must "pray to <deity>".  It's unclear whether this affects your [[alignment]].
 It's necessary to be careful with syntax when paying respects.  For example:
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 This process was [http://discworld.atuin.net/lpc/blog/blog.c?action=filter&blog=recent%20developments&id=419 changed in February of 2012]; the [[Old_supplication_process|old supplication process is described here]].
 ==Help file==

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 = Changing gods =
-Thanks to a fairly new concept (depending on when you read this), it is now possible to abandon your god and worship another god instead. This is a slow and intensive process, in order to avoid that people will hop from one god to another whenever they are tired of their rituals. Below is the official description of the procedure you have to follow, as it was developed by our loved creator Elera.
+It is possible for followers (and only followers) to change gods.  To do this, it is necessary to:
-* The worshipper must first renounce their faith, with 'renounce faith' at a high altar.
+*First "renounce faith" at your old god's high altar
-* The supplicant must 'supplicate' at the appropriate altar to begin the supplication process.
+*Go to the high altar of the god whose flock you wish to join and "supplicate <deity>"
-* The supplicant must supplicate at the appropriate altar at least once every 2 hours spent online.
+*Spend some time (thirty real-world days at minimum) [[pray]]ing to the new god at their high altar (or having others of the faith you're trying to join pray for you) and paying your respects (in the form of cold, hard cash) at their high altar.
-* The supplicant must be in the proper alignment when supplicating.
-* The supplicant must supplicate a minimum of 60 times.
-* A minimum of 30 round world days must elapse between the time of initial or restarted supplication and the time at which the supplicant becomes a member of the church.
-* A minimum of 5 days of online time must elapse before becoming a member of the church.
-If the supplicant takes too long between supplications, the process will start over from the beginning. If the supplicant wishes to cease
+This process was [http://discworld.atuin.net/lpc/blog/blog.c?action=filter&blog=recent%20developments&id=419 changed in February of 2012]; the [[Old_supplication_process|old supplication process is described here]].
-supplicating a deity, 'renounce faith' will allow them to do so. Once a person leaves a church, they can only rejoin that church or another via supplication. Initial choosing of a deity will be the same as always. Though you can supplicate more frequently than every two hours without penalty, it is not rewarded in any manner, so spamming is not profitable.
-These details are covered in the help file for the high altars. You can read it with 'help altar' in the room with one. If your altar has a different name (plinth, stone, etc), you will need to use 'help plinth' etc.
+==Help file==
-= Testimonies =
+Description
-== Zeus, the Swift Assassin of Raven House ==
+     Unlike priests, who must cleave to their chosen god for life, a
-Just my thoughts about changing Gods. :)
+     worshipper (follower) of a god can change their mind, renounce their
-I was quite surprised after returning to the MUD from a holiday to find the rituals for the Gods had been changed. Even so, I was initially pleased about the changes because I have always thought a bit more diversity and variety in the priest rituals granted to followers would be a good thing.
+Examples
+     > renounce faith
-However, I was not particularly happy with the rituals Gapp's followers were granted (mend and cool) so I decided to renounce the path of fashionable clothing and become a fluff worshipper in the hope of eventually re-learning cure light wounds, a ritual that has served me well for a long time. Summon fluff sounded pretty funky as well, so I started supplicating Gufnork... And supplicating... And supplicating... Even now, nearly a month into the supplication process, I am only halfway to achieving my goal.
+     > supplicate Gufnork
+     > pray for Turvity
-For what it's worth, I think the supplication process is a bit too restrictive. I can't venture far away from Gufnork's temples because of the ever-present fear of having to restart the entire process if I am a minute late with my supplication. I have delayed exploring Genua because there is no access to a temple of Gufnork there... I did manage to portal myself there once but after an hour and a half exploring the Mano Rossa headquarters I had to rush back to Ankh-Morpork.
+     > pray to Gufnork
+     > pay respects to Gufnork with 20 dollar
-The changes have affected my gameplay adversely in some ways. I love wandering around exploring new (and old) areas whilst keeping a sharp eye out for any contracts in the books. However in the month or so I have been back on the Disc I have spent most of my time running around the terrains close to Ankh-Morpork or idling in the city itself. This gets a tad boring after a while. It hasn't ruined my experience of the Disc (no Droves for the foreseeable future) but it has dampened my enthusiasm for logging into the MUD slightly because I know I'll just end up doing the same old thing.
+</pre>
-−
-I can understand the in-game need to make the process of changing Gods quite difficult, but at the same time looking at the supplication process from the perspective of the books I can't see the Gods being quite so reluctant to accept new followers. If anything, surely they would embrace converts, as the Gods derive their power from their worshippers. The Discworld Gods may be jealous but they also seem to be quite greedy and power-hungry... If Gufnork will accept a complete newbie into his service instantly then why should He be so strongly opposed to accepting experienced players into the fold when such players can only increase His power and influence? And quite possibly attract other converts into the bargain.
-−
-I do agree with the need for a supplication process but the difficulty of the current process is a bit too much for my liking. Perhaps increasing the time limit to every three or four hours (which still entails supplication at least twice every Discworld day) or altering the penalty for being late to losing a day from the supplication process instead of starting from scratch would make it less of a drag.
-−
-Cheers,
-−
-Zeus the Swift Assassin of Raven House.
-−
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-Supplicating is tedious and ruins your gameplay totally.  It needs to be made a lot easier.  -  Iatemycat

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		+	Supplicating is tedious and ruins your gameplay totally. It needs to be made a lot easier. - Iatemycat

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 Your alignment depends on a number of factors. The biggest factor no doubt are the npcs you kill. When you kill an evil npc more evil than you, you'll get more good. When you kill a more good npc, you'll tend towards evil. Note that the act of killing itself is evil, you'll get evil by killing neutral npcs too! (needs confirmation)
-Apart from that, other things will influence your alignment: praying moves you closer to your ideal alignment. The higher your fa.ri.sp bonus, the more efficient your praying will be; shattering a relic will change your alignment drastically, depending on which god's relic you shatter you'll heavily shift towards good or evil; and finally, a number of smaller, less know things will influence your alignment as well!
+Apart from that, other things will influence your alignment: praying moves you closer to your ideal alignment. The higher your fa.ri.sp bonus, the more efficient your praying will be; shattering a relic will change your alignment drastically, depending on which god's relic you shatter you'll heavily shift towards good or evil; and finally, a number of smaller, less known things will influence your alignment as well!
 More info on alignment can be found somewhere else, [[alignment|on a certain page]], on this website!