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Tonyogrey: /* The charging tables */

2010-02-19T16:13:17Z

‎The charging tables

Tonyogrey: /* Holding beads and a faith rod */

2010-02-19T16:12:54Z

‎Holding beads and a faith rod

Tonyogrey: /* Overview */

2010-02-19T16:09:39Z

‎Overview

Tonyogrey: Created page with '= Overview = The following research intends to dispel a number of myths (or perhaps simply out of date facts). The previous theories are as follows: * Holding beads and faith r…'

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Created page with '= Overview = The following research intends to dispel a number of myths (or perhaps simply out of date facts). The previous theories are as follows: * Holding beads and faith r…'

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= Overview =

The following research intends to dispel a number of myths (or perhaps simply out of date facts). The previous theories are as follows:

* Holding beads and faith rod results in GP shared amongst them
* Cost to imprint is 750 x ritual performance GP
* Rod bonus affects cost to imprint.

My research has proven the first two wrong, and intends to clarify the third. The facts are now:

* '''Holding beads and faith rod results in full prayer gp to the faith rod, and none to the beads'''
* '''Cost to imprint is 650 x ritual bestowal gp'''

It was always common wisdom to unhold your beads when charging up a rod. This appears to be unnecessary now. However, if you want to put charge in your beads, don't hold a faith rod - unless already imprinted.

Firstly, the beads and faith rod research...

== Holding beads and a faith rod ==

To test this out, I picked a small ritual, Detect Alignment, and imprinted it while holding a fresh set of beads, tracking the charge levels of the baton and the beads at every prayer. I performed the test with two freshly bought set of pre-consecrated beads from Sandelfon's shop.

For the first test, I held the fresh beads, and a freshly bestowed baton, and performed 18,500gp of prayer. The baton charged up to imprinted at a rate consistent with normal charging values. The beads didn't change their charge level at all (neither the brightness, nor invocation count)

To clarify, the beads remained at "pale, flickering holy aura instilled by the occasional invocation"

The second test involved holding the other fresh set of beads, and no baton. After 2,500gp of prayer, the beads had reached the 4th stage of charge, and I aborted the full 18,500gp test with these early results

To clarify, the beads went from
"pale, flickering holy aura instilled by the occasional invocation"
to
"unsteady holy aura instilled by the few invocations"

== The charging tables ==

The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D

So, here's an overview of the following charging tables, looking at the costs of performing and bestowing the rituals, compared to the cost of imprinting. It looks like '''650''' might be the magic factor here

There is enough of a difference in the calculated and recorded figures to suggest that the rod bonus is responsible. The differences are consistent with common knowledge regarding the charging messages (very easily/with ease and the blank message) indicating 0 to 5% gp waste.

As a final note, the following rituals were imprinted with a 250 rod bonus in July 2009. I repeated the Detect Alignment measurements with a 350 rod bonus recently (February 2010) and found the same gp cost to imprint. I intend to retest the other two, but I expect to merely reduce the percentage waste.

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Ritual
!Perform GP
!Bestow GP
!Real Imprint Cost
!Bestow GP x 650
!Difference
|Difference %
|-
|Detect Alignment
|10
|30
|19,350
|19,500
|150
|0.7%
|-
|Endless Halls
|200
|110
|61,960
|65,000
|3,040
|4.6%
|-
|Fumble
|120
|120
|76,000
|78,000
|2,000
|2.5%
|}

=== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===

* 10 GP to perform
* 30 GP to bestow

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Stage
!Prayer count
!GP Total
|-
|Barely visible
|4
|1,400
|-
|Faint
|3
|1,050
|-
|Dull
|2
|700
|-
|Pale
|3
|1,050
|-
|Dim
|2
|700
|-
|Moderate
|3
|1,050
|-
|Softly pulsing
|5
|1,750
|-
!Total up to impressed
!22
!7,700
|-
|Softly pulsing
|1
|350
|-
|Brightly pulsing
|5
|1,750
|-
|Bright
|6
|2,100
|-
|Strong
|5
|1,750
|-
|Brilliant
|6
|2,100
|-
|Dazzling
|6
|2,100
|-
|Radiant
|4.3*
|1,500*
|-
!Total up to imprinted
!55.3
!19,350
|}

=== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ===

* 200 GP to perform
* 110 GP to bestow

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Stage
!Prayer count
!GP Total
|-
|Barely visible
|12.4*
|4,350*
|-
|Faint
|9.8*
|3,450*
|-
|Dull
|9.8*
|3,450*
|-
|Pale
|9.8*
|3,410*
|-
|Dim
|10
|3,500
|-
|Moderate
|10
|3,500
|-
|Softly pulsing
|19
|6,650
|-
!Total up to impressed
!80.8
!25,160
|-
|Softly pulsing
|2
|700
|-
|Brightly pulsing
|21
|7,350
|-
|Bright
|21
|7,350
|-
|Strong
|19
|6,650
|-
|Brilliant
|21
|7,350
|-
|Dazzling
|20
|7,000
|-
|Radiant
|18.3*
|6,400*
|-
!Total up to imprinted
!183.1
!61,960
|}

=== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ===

* 120 GP to perform
* 120 BP to bestow

{| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
!Stage
!Prayer count
!GP Total
!Possibly over
|-
|Barely visible
|13.1*
|4,600
|100
|-
|Faint
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Dull
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Pale
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Dim
|11
|3,850
|350
|-
|Moderate
|11
|3,850
|200
|-
|Softly pulsing
|21
|7,350
|350
|-
!Total up to impressed
!89.1
!31,200
!350
|-
|Softly pulsing
|2
|700
|350
|-
|Brightly pulsing
|21
|7,350
|350
|-
|Bright
|22
|7,700
|350
|-
|Strong
|22
|7,700
|350
|-
|Brilliant
|22
|7,700
|350
|-
|Dazzling
|21
|7,350
|350
|-
|Radiant
|18
|6,300
|350
|-
!Total up to imprinted
!217.1
!76,000
!350
|}

@@ Line 56: / Line 56: @@
 |19,350
 |18,600
-|900
+|750
-|4.84%
+|4.03%
 |-
 |Endless Halls
@@ Line 64: / Line 64: @@
 |61,960
 |62,000
-|-40
+| -40
-|-0.06%
+| -0.06%
 |-
 |Fumble

@@ Line 10: / Line 10: @@
 * '''Holding beads and a faith rod charges the faith rod, not the beads'''
-* '''Cost to imprint is 650 x ritual bestowal gp'''
+* '''Cost to imprint is 620 x ritual bestowal gp'''
 It was always common wisdom to unhold your beads when charging up a rod. This appears to be unnecessary now. However, if you want to put charge in your beads, don't hold a faith rod - unless already imprinted.
@@ Line 35: / Line 35: @@
 The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D
-So, here's an overview of the following charging tables, looking at the costs of performing and bestowing the rituals, compared to the cost of imprinting. It looks like '''650''' might be the magic factor here
+So, here's an overview of the following charging tables, looking at the costs of performing and bestowing the rituals, compared to the cost of imprinting. It looks like '''620''' might be the magic factor here
 There is enough of a difference in the calculated and recorded figures to suggest that the rod bonus is responsible. The differences are consistent with common knowledge regarding the charging messages (very easily/with ease and the blank message) indicating 0 to 5% gp waste.
@@ Line 47: / Line 47: @@
 !Bestow GP
 !Real Imprint Cost
-!Bestow GP x 650
+!Bestow GP x 620
 !Difference
 !Difference %
@@ Line 55: / Line 55: @@
 |30
 |19,350
-|19,500
+|18,600
-|150
+|900
-|0.7%
+|4.84%
 |-
 |Endless Halls
@@ Line 63: / Line 63: @@
 |110
 |61,960
-|65,000
+|62,000
-|3,040
+|-40
-|4.6%
+|-0.06%
 |-
 |Fumble
@@ Line 71: / Line 71: @@
 |120
 |76,000
-|78,000
+|74,400
-|2,000
+|1,600
-|2.5%
+|2.15%
 |}

← Older revision	Revision as of 16:23, 19 February 2010
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 Firstly, the beads and faith rod research...
-== Holding beads and a faith rod ==
+= Holding beads and a faith rod =
 I imprinted a small ritual, Detect Alignment, while holding a fresh set of beads - tracking the charge levels at every prayer. I used a fresh set of pre-consecrated beads for each test.
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    "unsteady holy aura instilled by the few invocations"
-== The charging tables ==
+= The charging tables =
 The following tables detail my research into one large and one small ritual, calculating the GP costs throughout the charging process, the accuracy of these readings could be affected by variables out of my control, such as the Disc's randomness affecting figures. We all know they love to flick the dice now and then :D
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-=== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ===
+== Detect Alignment into ribboned baton (misc aff) ==
 * 10 GP to perform
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-=== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ===
+== Endless Halls into a serrated baton (off aff) ==
 * 200 GP to perform
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-=== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ===
+== Fumble into a coral baton (off aff) ==
 * 120 GP to perform

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 == Holding beads and a faith rod ==
-To test this out, I picked a small ritual, Detect Alignment, and imprinted it while holding a fresh set of beads, tracking the charge levels of the baton and the beads at every prayer. I performed the test with two freshly bought set of pre-consecrated beads from Sandelfon's shop.
+I imprinted a small ritual, Detect Alignment, while holding a fresh set of beads - tracking the charge levels at every prayer. I used a fresh set of pre-consecrated beads for each test.
 For the first test, I held the fresh beads, and a freshly bestowed baton, and performed 18,500gp of prayer. The baton charged up to imprinted at a rate consistent with normal charging values. The beads didn't change their charge level at all (neither the brightness, nor invocation count)

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 My research has proven the first two wrong, and intends to clarify the third. The facts are now:
-* '''Holding beads and faith rod results in full prayer gp to the faith rod, and none to the beads'''
+* '''Holding beads and a faith rod charges the faith rod, not the beads'''
 * '''Cost to imprint is 650 x ritual bestowal gp'''