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Ilde: Moving the research to a research page.

2009-05-26T02:23:36Z

Moving the research to a research page.

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Ilde: Again changing the longer lists to horizontal tables, also adding summary for one of them

2009-05-26T02:07:40Z

Again changing the longer lists to horizontal tables, also adding summary for one of them

Ilde: Replacing the long, homogeneous lists with horizontal tables. The actual information is unchanged; only the presentation is altered

2009-05-26T01:42:24Z

Replacing the long, homogeneous lists with horizontal tables. The actual information is unchanged; only the presentation is altered

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Ilde: /* Newbie coffers */

2009-05-21T07:52:46Z

‎Newbie coffers

Ilde: /* Newbie coffers */

2009-05-18T22:31:31Z

‎Newbie coffers

Ilde: Adding test for sets of prayer beads

2009-05-18T22:30:05Z

Adding test for sets of prayer beads

Ilde: /* Newbie coffers */

2009-05-13T00:18:59Z

‎Newbie coffers

Ilde: Forgot to sign it

2009-04-23T04:27:08Z

Forgot to sign it

Ilde: Sandelfon relics

2009-04-23T04:26:41Z

Sandelfon relics

Ilde: /* Newbie coffers */

2009-04-23T04:16:45Z

‎Newbie coffers

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 Another test, this time with Elomish's newbie Pishite alt.
-Before: 25 evil
+{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" align="center"
-* After Hattite relic 1: 22 evil
+|-
-* After Hattite relic 2: 21 evil
+| Type || || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat || || Fish || Fish || Fish || Fish || Fish || Fish || Fish || || Sek || Sek || Sek || Sek || Sek || Sek || || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat || Hat
-* After Hattite relic 3: 18 evil
+|-
-* After Hattite relic 4: 17 evil
+| # shattered || 0 || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || 7 || || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || 7 || || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || || 8 || 9 || 10 || 11 || 12 || 13
-* After Hattite relic 5: 15 evil
+|-
-* After Hattite relic 6: 14 evil
+| Align || 25 evil || 22 || 21 || 18 || 17 || 15 || 14 || 11 || || 10 || 10 || 9 || 8 || 7 || 6 || 5 || || 2 evil || 0 || 3 good || 8 || 12 || 16 || || 18 || 20 || 21 || 23 || 25 || 26 good
-* After Hattite relic 7: 11 evil
+|}
+(ETA: Summary: 7 Hattite relics took them from 25 to 11 evil, then 7 Fishite relics took them from 11 to 5 evil, then 6 Sekkite relics took them from 5 evil to 16 good, and finally 6 more Hattite relics took them from 16 to 26 good. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 02:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
-* After Fishite relic 1: 10 evil
-* After Fishite relic 2: 10 evil
-* After Fishite relic 3: 9 evil
-* After Fishite relic 4: 8 evil
-* After Fishite relic 5: 7 evil
-* After Fishite relic 6: 6 evil
-* After Fishite relic 7: 5 evil
-−
-* After Sekkite relic 1: 2 evil
-* After Sekkite relic 2: 0
-* After Sekkite relic 3: 3 good
-* After Sekkite relic 4: 8 good
-* After Sekkite relic 5: 12 good
-* After Sekkite relic 6: 16 good
-−
-* After Hattite relic 8: 18 good
-* After Hattite relic 9: 20 good
-* After Hattite relic 10: 21 good
-* After Hattite relic 11: 23 good
-* After Hattite relic 12: 25 good
-* After Hattite relic 13: 26 good
 We started and ended with Hattite relics to see if there might be a difference based on how out of alignment you are.  The first set gave a total shift of 14 degrees for 7 relics (2 degrees on average) and the last set gave a total shift of 10 degrees for 6 relics (1 2/3 degrees on average).  So, it looks like there might be a small difference, but then again it could be due to randomness.  Conclusions: Hattite relics are worth around 2 degrees, Fishite relics are worth around 1 degree, Sekkite relics are worth around 3.5 degrees on average (2-5 individually), and how far out of alignment you are might matter.
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 Seeing how much Pishite relics change your alignment, and making sure Hattite ones really do make Sekkites more evil (both while less evil than Hat and more evil than Hat).  --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 05:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
-Shattering Sandelfon relics with Elomish's newbie alt(Sek, 0 ri.sp):
+Shattering Sandelfon relics with Elomish's newbie alt(Sek, 0 ri.sp, starting with fresh alignment):
-*Before: 0, no alignment change ever
+{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" align="center"
-*After relic 1: 0
+|-
-*After relic 2: 1 evil
+| # shattered || 0 || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || 7 || 8 || 9 || 10 || 11 || 12
-*After relic 3: 1 evil
+|-
-*After relic 4: 1 evil (barely evil, Sek quite annoyed)
+| degrees evil || 0 || 0 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 4 || 4 || 5 || 6
-*After relic 5: 2 evil (barely evil, Sek quite annoyed)
+|-
-*After relic 6: 3 evil (evil, Sek a little concerned)
+| Sek is… || || || || || quite annoyed || " || a little concerned || pleased || " || " || " || " || "
-*After relic 7: 3 evil (evil, Sek pleased)
+|}
-*After relic 8: 3 evil
-*After relic 9: 4 evil
-*After relic 10: 4 evil
-*After relic 11: 5 evil
-*After relic 12: 6 evil
-−
 --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 04:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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 * After 25: 20 evil
 Looks like prayer beads, like the books, are worth around 4/5 of a degree.
 ==Relics==

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 Another test!  Prayer beads this time, in the Sek coffer.  Thanks to Seima for consecrating most of them and being the test alt. :D
-Starting: 0
+* Starting: 0 (unchanged newbie alignment)
 * After 1: 0
 * After 2: 1 evil

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	--[[User:Ilde\|Ilde]] 00:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Ilde\|Ilde]] 00:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	Another test! Prayer beads this time, in the Sek coffer. Thanks to Seima for consecrating most of them and being the test alt. :D
		+	Starting: 0
		+	* After 1: 0
		+	* After 2: 1 evil
		+	* After 3: 2 evil
		+	* After 4: 3 evil
		+	* After 5: 4 evil
		+	* After 6: 4 evil
		+	* After 7: 5 evil
		+	* After 8: 6 evil
		+	* After 9: 7 evil
		+	* After 10: 8 evil
		+	* After 11: 8 evil
		+	* After 12: 9 evil
		+	* After 13: 10 evil
		+	* After 14: 11 evil
		+	* After 15: 12 evil
		+	* After 16: 12 evil
		+	* After 17: 13 evil
		+	* After 18: 14 evil
		+	* After 19: 15 evil
		+	* After 20: 16 evil
		+	* After 21: 16 evil
		+	* After 22: 17 evil
		+	* After 23: 18 evil
		+	* After 24: 19 evil
		+	* After 25: 20 evil
		+	Looks like prayer beads, like the books, are worth around 4/5 of a degree.

	==Relics==		==Relics==

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	--[[User:Ilde\|Ilde]] 04:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Ilde\|Ilde]] 04:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+
		+	More testing! Prayer books this time, in the Pishe coffer. Thanks to Seima, with a newbie alt, for this set. :D
		+	* Starting: neutral, no alignment change ever
		+	* 1 book: 0 good
		+	* 2: 1 good
		+	* 3: 2 good
		+	* 4: 3 good
		+	* 5: 4 good
		+	* 6: 4 good
		+	* 7: 5 good
		+	* 8: 6 good
		+	* 9: 7 good
		+	* 10: 8 good
		+	* 11: 8 good
		+	* 12: 9 good
		+	* 13: 10 good
		+	* 14: 11 good
		+	* 15: 12 good
		+	* 16: 12 good
		+	* 17: 13 good
		+	* 18: 14 good
		+	* 19: ?? good (timing messed up and didn't get this one)
		+	* 20: 16 good
		+	* 21: 16 good
		+
		+	So, it looks like prayer books are good for about 4/5 degrees.
		+
		+	--[[User:Ilde\|Ilde]] 00:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

	==Relics==		==Relics==

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 *relic: 3 evil
 So... you ''can'' change your alignment by putting stuff in a coffer even if you can also take stuff out, but it seems to be less effective in some way, or maybe only certain things work.
 ==Relics==

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 *Beginning - 1 evil, neutral
 *After Hattite relic: 2 evil
 *After Pishite relic 1: 5 evil
 *After Pishite relic 2: 9 evil
 *After Pishite relic 3: 14 evil
 *After Pishite relic 4: 19 evil
 *After Pishite relic 5: 23 evil
 *After Hattite relic 2: 24 evil
 Seeing how much Pishite relics change your alignment, and making sure Hattite ones really do make Sekkites more evil (both while less evil than Hat and more evil than Hat).  --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 05:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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 Later: Someone 48 degrees good putting a Sek relic in the Sek coffer got moved to 45 degrees good, so it doesn't seem to matter how far away from the deity's ideal alignment you are.  Putting a non-wearable holy symbol in moved him to 44 good, and after putting another one in he was still 44 good, so holy symbols are worth less than a degree of alignment shift.
 --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 07:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 ==Relics==