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Tonyogrey: /* Thoughts so far */

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‎Thoughts so far

Tonyogrey: /* The results */

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‎The results

Tonyogrey at 11:40, 21 March 2010

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Tonyogrey: /* The methods */

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‎The results

Tonyogrey: /* Thoughts so far */

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‎Thoughts so far

Tonyogrey at 10:49, 21 March 2010

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Tonyogrey at 10:46, 21 March 2010

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Tonyogrey at 10:46, 21 March 2010

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−	~~= GP costs for rituals =~~

−	~~== The Theory ==~~
−
−	The theory is that rituals have different gp costs for performing/rod bestowing/ward bestowing. It has been noticed that some rituals have drastically different gp costs. This experiment attempts to record the costs for all three scenarios.
−
−	~~== The methods ==~~
−
−	~~Ritual assistance is set at 0% throughout.~~
−
−
−	~~'''The combat method''': Get in a fight, with neutral tactics, and record the gp drop (adjusting for regen)~~
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−	~~'''The deity points method''': meditate on obsecration, do something, meditate again. Record personal DP drop (adjusted for +5dp)~~
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−	~~I used the combat method for performing and warding; the deity point method for rod bestowing.~~
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−	~~As for location, I did the performing tests at a location south of Ankh-Morpork, where no modifiers appeared, since performance gp is affected by those modifiers.~~
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−	~~== The results ==~~
−
−	~~Starting with the offensive set, using a serrated baton:~~
−
−	~~{\| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"~~
−	~~!Ritual~~
−	~~!Bestow in rod~~
−	~~!Bestow as ward~~
−	~~!Perform~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|agoraphobia~~
−	~~\|135~~
−	~~\|135~~
−	~~\|135~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|demoralise~~
−	~~\|10~~
−	~~\|10~~
−	~~\|10~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|dust devil~~
−	~~\|50~~
−	~~\|50~~
−	~~\|50~~
−	\|-
−	\|-
−	~~\|endless halls~~
−	~~\|150~~
−	~~\|110~~
−	~~\|200~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|feedback~~
−	~~\|135~~
−	~~\|135~~
−	~~\|135~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|fumble~~
−	~~\|120~~
−	~~\|120~~
−	~~\|120~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|haunting~~
−	~~\|55~~
−	~~\|55~~
−	~~\|55~~
−	\|}
−
−	~~=== Thoughts so far ===~~
−
−	~~Cost to bestow (rod and ward) is the same as cost to perform, in most cases.~~
−
−	~~Perhaps Endless Halls is buggy?~~

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	Cost to bestow (rod and ward) is the same as cost to perform, in most cases.		Cost to bestow (rod and ward) is the same as cost to perform, in most cases.

−	~~I'm wondering if minions aren't affected due to the recent changes.~~ Perhaps Endless Halls is buggy?	+	Perhaps Endless Halls is buggy?

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 |agoraphobia
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 |135
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 |demoralise
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 |feedback
-|130
+|135
 |135
 |135
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 |fumble
-|116
+|120
 |120
 |120
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 |haunting
-|53
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 |55
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 === Thoughts so far ===
-My general thinking though, is that most rituals have a base cost, reflected by the cost to ward. Performing gp is modified by environment, and rod bestowing is modified by affinity to the rod. However, this seems not to affect certain rituals (perhaps a bug, or deliberately hardcoded reasons).
+Cost to bestow (rod and ward) is the same as cost to perform, in most cases.
 I'm wondering if minions aren't affected due to the recent changes. Perhaps Endless Halls is buggy?

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 == The methods ==
 Ritual assistance is set at 0% throughout.
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 I used the combat method for performing and warding; the deity point method for rod bestowing.
 == The results ==
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 |130
 |135
-|125
+|135
 |-
 |demoralise
 |9
 |10
-|9
+|10
 |-
 |dust devil
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 |130
 |135
-|124
+|135
 |-
 |fumble
 |116
 |120
-|'''116'''*
+|120
 |-
 |haunting
 |53
 |55
-|50
+|55
 |}
- * Couldn't perform this at the high altar, so performed 5 rooms away.
+=== Thoughts so far ===
-=== Quirk with perform gp ===
+My general thinking though, is that most rituals have a base cost, reflected by the cost to ward. Performing gp is modified by environment, and rod bestowing is modified by affinity to the rod. However, this seems not to affect certain rituals (perhaps a bug, or deliberately hardcoded reasons).
-−
-I performed major shield at the high altar, and the oasis. It cost 110gp (quite a bit easier) and 122gp (a bit harder) respectively. Therefore, I'm assuming a 10gp (or maybe 10%) saving at the high altar. This doesn't seem to affect all rituals though.
-−
-=== Thoughts so far ===
-My general thinking though, is that most rituals have a base cost, reflected by the cost to ward. Performing gp is modified by environment, and rod bestowing is modified by affinity to the rod. However, this seems not to affect certain rituals (perhaps a bug, or deliberately hardcoded reasons). I'm wondering if minions aren't affected due to the recent changes. Perhaps Endless Halls is bugged?
+I'm wondering if minions aren't affected due to the recent changes. Perhaps Endless Halls is buggy?

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 '''The deity points method''': meditate on obsecration, do something, meditate again. Record personal DP drop (adjusted for +5dp)
-I used the combat method for performing, and warding; the deity point method for rod bestowing.
+I used the combat method for performing and warding; the deity point method for rod bestowing.
 == The results ==

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 == The results ==
-Starting with the offensive set, using a yellow baton:
+Starting with the offensive set, using a serrated baton:
 {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"

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	There's some other odditities - endless halls seems random. Dust devil/demoralise seem not to change.		There's some other odditities - endless halls seems random. Dust devil/demoralise seem not to change.
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		+	General thinking though, is that most rituals have a base cost, reflected by the cost to ward. Performing gp is modified by environment, and rod bestowing is modified by affinity to the rod.

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-== GP costs for rituals ==
+= GP costs for rituals =
-=== The Theory ===
+== The Theory ==
 The theory is that rituals have different gp costs for performing/rod bestowing/ward bestowing. It has been noticed that some rituals have drastically different gp costs. This experiment attempts to record the costs for all three scenarios.
-=== The methods ===
+== The methods ==
 Unless otherwise stated, all experiments are conducted at the high altar.
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 I used the combat method for performing, and warding; the deity point method for rod bestowing.
-=== The results ===
+== The results ==
 Starting with the offensive set, using a yellow baton:
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   * Couldn't perform this at the high altar, so performed 5 rooms away.
-=== Thoughts ===
+=== Thoughts so far ===
 I performed major shield at the high altar, and the oasis. It cost 110gp (quite a bit easier) and 122gp (a bit harder) respectively. Therefore, I'm assuming a 10gp (or maybe 10%) saving at the high altar. This doesn't seem to affect all rituals though.
 There's some other odditities - endless halls seems random. Dust devil/demoralise seem not to change.