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| + | Alright, this is all getting a bit long and unwieldy for a talk page, so it seems more appropriate to move it to its own research page. Everything is now at [[Research and Ideas/Changing Your Alignment by Ilde]]. |
| − | The bit I just added about putting things in newbie coffers is based on a little bit of testing that Elomish and I did. Basically, he got out of alignment, then put stuff into the Fish and Sek newbie coffers with me detecting his alignment in-between. Here's what we got:
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| − | #Starting alignment: 6 degrees good.
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| − | #After putting a Fish relic in the Fish coffer: 3 degrees good.
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| − | #After putting a Fish relic in the Fish coffer: 0 degrees good/evil.
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| − | #After putting a Sek relic in the Sek coffer: 2 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Sek prayer beads in the Sek coffer: 2 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Sek prayer beads in the Sek coffer: 3 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Sek prayer beads in the Sek coffer: 4 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Fish prayer beads in the Sek coffer: 4 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Fish prayer beads in the Sek coffer: 4 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Fish prayer beads in the Sek coffer: 4 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting Heric's fine sabre (worth maybe $80ish or more) in the Fish coffer: 4 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Fish prayer beads in the Fish coffer: 3 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a set of Fish prayer beads in the Fish coffer: 2 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a Sek prayer book in the Fish coffer: 2 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a Fish prayer book in the Fish coffer: 2 degrees evil.
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| − | #After putting a Fish prayer book in the Fish coffer: 1 degree evil.
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| − | #After putting more stuff in the Fish coffer: still 1 degree evil, and in perfect alignment for Fish.
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| − | The sabre was to test my idea that putting more expensive things in might move your alignment more, and also to test whether it would move your alignment to put something unconsecrated in. As for the relics apparently changing his alignment by three, three, and two degrees, I'm not sure whether that's because there's some random variation in the amount a relic changes your alignment in general, whether different deities' relics have different effects, whether it matters whether you worship the deity whose coffer you're putting things in, or whether it's because of rounding (or inaccuracy) in the ritual (for example, if he started as 5.5 good, then went down to 2.9 good, then .3 good, then 2.3 evil, or something like that, that might give the results we got without the three relics actually moving his alignment different amounts. I do suspect he was slightly good at the 0 good/evil point, since Fish was "a little concerned concerned" then, and I ''think'' Fish is "pleased" with a worshipper who is perfectly neutral).
| + | --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 02:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ETA: Far from definite, but extremely suggestive, in my opinion.
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| − | ETA 2: Right--I got another sabre, consecrated it to Sandelfon, and checked to see whether the consecrated sabre had any effect on my alignment when I put it into our newbie coffer (by killing a rabbit, then ritburying the corpse to get myself ''slightly'' out of alignment (neutral, pleased, 0 degrees good/evil) and then putting the consecrated sabre into the coffer). It had no detectable effect.
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| − | --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 06:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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| − | Later: Someone 48 degrees good putting a Sek relic in the Sek coffer got moved to 45 degrees good, so it doesn't seem to matter how far away from the deity's ideal alignment you are. Putting a non-wearable holy symbol in moved him to 44 good, and after putting another one in he was still 44 good, so holy symbols are worth less than a degree of alignment shift.
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| − | --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 07:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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| − | ==Relics==
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| − | This is what the "Gufnork relics being worth 2 evil degrees" bit is based on: I detected Pyron's alignment before shattering any relics, and then he shattered five Gufnork relics one at a time, with me detecting his alignment after each one.
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| − | *Before: 7 evil
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| − | *After relic 1: 10 evil
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| − | *After relic 2: 11 evil
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| − | *After relic 3: 13 evil
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| − | *After relic 4: 15 evil
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| − | *After relic 5: 17 evil
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| − | So--the first one gave more than two and less than 4 degrees of alignment shift, and the next gave more than nothing and less than two degrees. No conditions changed between the two (except, obviously, his alignment), so I think there's some random aspect. His faith.rituals.special was 380 at the time of shattering--I'm not sure if that has any effect on the amount of alignment shift or whether it determines whether you get alignment shift at all, but if it does either then it's worth making a note of.
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| − | --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 05:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC) | + | |
Alright, this is all getting a bit long and unwieldy for a talk page, so it seems more appropriate to move it to its own research page. Everything is now at Research and Ideas/Changing Your Alignment by Ilde.
