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Special thanks goes to Laule for the forty plus resses, and for messing up his alignment for the research.  :)  And thanks also go to Baralai, Carasel, FraLipoLipi, Hurry, Nisphozous, and Vogue for resses, to Uheel for donating some data from his own resses, and to Vogue and Zph for dying for science.
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Special thanks goes to Laule for the forty plus resses, and for messing up his alignment for the research.  :)  And thanks also go to Baralai, Carasel, FraLipoLipi, Hurry, Nisphozous, and Vogue for resses, to Uheel for donating some data from his own resses, and to Chare, Vogue and Zph for dying for science.
  
 
This is an attempt at determining the relationships between cu.ta bonus, ritual modifiers, xp returned to the ghost, and xp awarded to the resser from the [[Resurrect]] ritual.
 
This is an attempt at determining the relationships between cu.ta bonus, ritual modifiers, xp returned to the ghost, and xp awarded to the resser from the [[Resurrect]] ritual.
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| 278 || slightly easier – near sacred shower (AM) || very happy || 87704 || '''28069''' || 32.0% || 2762 ||  
 
| 278 || slightly easier – near sacred shower (AM) || very happy || 87704 || '''28069''' || 32.0% || 2762 ||  
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| 304 || none || very happy || 21265 || '''8083''' || 38.0% || '''1116''' ||
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| 304 || somewhat more difficult – barely feel the presence of Pishe – 261 fa.ri.sp || pleased - 5 || 89659 || '''33176''' || 37.0% || '''3362''' ||
 
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| 317 || quite a bit easier – high altar, rain || pleased - 17 || 197830 || '''89023''' || 45.0% || ~6800 ||
 
| 317 || quite a bit easier – high altar, rain || pleased - 17 || 197830 || '''89023''' || 45.0% || ~6800 ||
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| 350 || none || pleased - extremely good || 161922|| '''77725''' || 48.0% || 6474 ||
 
| 350 || none || pleased - extremely good || 161922|| '''77725''' || 48.0% || 6474 ||
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| 364 || none || pleased - 28 || 4194 || '''2183''' || 52.1% || '''401''' ||
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| 380 || none || very happy || 9343 || '''5238''' || 56.1% || '''795''' ||
 
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| 402 || none || very happy - 25 || 211836 || '''127104''' || 60.0% || '''9580''' ||  
 
| 402 || none || very happy - 25 || 211836 || '''127104''' || 60.0% || '''9580''' ||  
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| 411 || quite a bit easier - altar, rain || very happy || 5147879 || 3397549 || 66.0% || '''124255''' ||  
 
| 411 || quite a bit easier - altar, rain || very happy || 5147879 || 3397549 || 66.0% || '''124255''' ||  
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| 411 || somewhat more difficult – barely feel the presence of Pishe – 318 fa.ri.sp || pleased – 4 || 137109 || '''83642''' || 61.0% || '''6909''' ||
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| 411 || none || pleased - 6 || 33782 || '''20947''' || 62.0% || '''2349''' ||
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| 420 || none || pleased - 27 || 6123 || '''3924''' || 64.1% || '''634''' ||
 
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| 420 || quite a bit easier - altar, rain || very happy || 254258 || '''170363''' || 67.0% || '''12038''' ||  
 
| 420 || quite a bit easier - altar, rain || very happy || 254258 || '''170363''' || 67.0% || '''12038''' ||  
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! xp at death || xp returned || priest's res xp || log<sub>xp returned</sub>(res xp)
 
! xp at death || xp returned || priest's res xp || log<sub>xp returned</sub>(res xp)
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| 4194 || 2183 || 401 || .780
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| 6123 || 3924 || 634 || .780
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| 9343 || 5238 || 795 || .780
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| 21265 || 8083 || 1116 || .780
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| 33782 || 20947 || 2349 || .780
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| 89659 || 33176 || 3362 || .780
 
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| 91897 || 41356 || 3992 || .780
 
| 91897 || 41356 || 3992 || .780
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| 137109 || 83642 || 6909 || .780
 
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| 211836 || 127104 || 9580 || .780
 
| 211836 || 127104 || 9580 || .780
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! xp at death || xp returned || priest's res xp || priest's xp rate
 
! xp at death || xp returned || priest's res xp || priest's xp rate
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| 4194 || '''2183''' || '''401''' || 61700
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| 6123 || '''3924''' || '''634''' || 58600
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| 9343 || '''5238''' || '''795''' || 53900
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| 21265 || '''8083''' || '''1116''' || 45100
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| 33782 || '''20947''' || '''2349''' || 33400
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| 89659 || '''33176''' || '''3362''' || 28100
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| 137109 || '''83642''' || '''6909''' || 22300
 
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| 18050 || '''8303''' || 1134 || 18400
 
| 18050 || '''8303''' || 1134 || 18400

Revision as of 23:56, 14 January 2012

Special thanks goes to Laule for the forty plus resses, and for messing up his alignment for the research.  :) And thanks also go to Baralai, Carasel, FraLipoLipi, Hurry, Nisphozous, and Vogue for resses, to Uheel for donating some data from his own resses, and to Chare, Vogue and Zph for dying for science.

This is an attempt at determining the relationships between cu.ta bonus, ritual modifiers, xp returned to the ghost, and xp awarded to the resser from the Resurrect ritual.

Main table of res data

Where xp returned is bolded, it's the precise amount (to within a few xp)--in other words, leaving out all xp received while dead. (Using a health bar plugin and making sure it's updating constantly during the res makes it fairly easy to see this.) Likewise, when res xp is bolded, it's the precise amount and doesn't include any command xp or heartbeat xp. Non-bolded amounts for both of those still have an attempt at not including command/heartbeat xp, but they may be off.

The "visible modifiers" in question are the ones you see when you perform the ritual--the message that goes, "You are finding it somewhat more difficult to perform resurrect because you can barely feel the presence of Pishe." and so on.

It's worth noting that the modifiers you start performing the ritual with seem to be the important ones--if it stops raining partway through the ritual, you still get the bonus.

All resurrectors are Pishite priests, unless otherwise noted. (Likewise, numeric alignments are degrees good unless otherwise noted.)

cu.ta visible modifiers alignment xp at death xp returned  % returned priest's res xp notes
278 slightly easier – near sacred shower (AM) very happy 270850 86672 32.0% 7000
278 slightly easier – near sacred shower (AM) very happy 87704 28069 32.0% 2762
304 none very happy 21265 8083 38.0% 1116
304 somewhat more difficult – barely feel the presence of Pishe – 261 fa.ri.sp pleased - 5 89659 33176 37.0% 3362
317 quite a bit easier – high altar, rain pleased - 17 197830 89023 45.0% ~6800
317 quite a bit easier – high altar, rain pleased - 18 91897 41356 45.0% 3992
326 somewhat easier - rain; somewhat negated - far from a sacred shower (near Death's domain) very happy 2552484 1123094 44.0% 52390
344 somewhat more difficult - far from a sacred shower (Genua) pleased – 27 18050 8303 46.0% 1134
344 quite a bit easier - in an area considered holy and you feel uplifted by the rain. very happy – 26 42079 21884 52.0% 2464
350 none pleased - extremely good 161922 77725 48.0% 6474
364 none pleased - 28 4194 2183 52.1% 401
380 none very happy 9343 5238 56.1% 795
402 none very happy - 25 211836 127104 60.0% 9580
410 slightly easier – near sacred shower (BP) very happy 1517013 956128 63.0% 46204
410 none very happy 153320 95825 62.5% 7638
410 quite a bit easier – Sto Lat altar very happy 422671 271447 64.2% 17262
410 somewhat more difficult – far from altar, Genua very happy 319195 191710 60.1% 13189
410 much more difficult/somewhat mitigated – baton (343 rod bonus) + in AM very happy 107339 63523 59.2% 5562
410 slightly easier – near sacred shower (BP) very happy? 1554299 996236 64.1% 47085
411 quite a bit easier - altar, rain very happy 5147879 3397549 66.0% 124255
411 somewhat more difficult – barely feel the presence of Pishe – 318 fa.ri.sp pleased – 4 137109 83642 61.0% 6909
411 none pleased - 6 33782 20947 62.0% 2349
420 none pleased - 27 6123 3924 64.1% 634
420 quite a bit easier - altar, rain very happy 254258 170363 67.0% 12038
438 much more difficult – baton (rod bonus 346) pleased – 28 67423 42482 63.0% 4178
438 somewhat more difficult - far from a sacred shower (Genua) pleased – 31 22536 14876 66.0% 1748
438 none pleased – 26 136329 92706 68.0% 7436
438 slightly easier – near sacred shower (AM) pleased – 29 44243 30085 68.0% 3064
438 quite a bit easier - in an area considered holy and you feel uplifted by the rain. very happy – 25 22706 16124 71.0% 1865
441 somewhat more difficult - far from a sacred shower (Genua) very happy 1872410 1256248 67.1%  ?
441 quite a bit easier – near sacred shower, rain pleased (extremely good) 65000 47000 72.3% 3921 death xp and xp return pretty approximate
441 quite a bit easier – near sacred shower, rain pleased (extremely good) 171000 120915 70.7 10149 death xp and xp return approximate
441 somewhat easier/somewhat negated – snow + near sacred shower;dust devil pleased (extremely good) 200000 132080 66.0% 9621 death xp and xp return approximate
441 a bit more difficult/completely mitigated – dust devil + near sacred shower pleased (extremely good) 568434 386909 68.1%  ?
448 quite a bit easier – near sacred shower, rain pleased (extremely good) 750997 533745 71.1% 28958
458 somewhat more difficult - far from a sacred shower (Genua) pleased – 32 15302 10714 70.0% 1342
458 slightly easier – near sacred shower (AM) pleased – 30 30793 22173 72.0% 2401
450 none pleased – 26 30000000 21000000 70.0% 514396 first of a set of six
450 none pleased – 26 21001557 14701092 70.0% 349176 same set, res xp affected by rate
450 none pleased – 26 120657 84462 70.0% 3818 same set, res xp affected by rate
458 a lot easier- actively worshipping Pishe, area considered holy, uplifted by the rain. pleased – 26 10880358 8160271 75.0% 225162 same set, res xp affected by rate
458 none pleased – 26 90221 64059 71.0% 3098 same set, res xp affected by rate
458 quite a bit easier - in an area considered holy, rain pleased – 26 14702607 10879932 74.0% 169776 same set, res xp affected by rate
450 none very happy – 25 8163036 5714125 70.0% 186392 first of a second (large) set
450 much more difficult – baton (rod bonus 344) pleased – 26 5714719 3771717 66.0% 134798
450 none pleased – 27 3772527 2640771 70.0% 99598 Not fixing alignment in-between. 368 fa.ri.sp bonus. Res xp started being affected by rate
450 none pleased – 28 2641227 1848858 70.0% 65223 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 none pleased – 29 1849545 1294687 70.0% 45305 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 none pleased – 30 1309948 916963 70.0% 33059 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 none pleased – 31 917200 642043 70.0% 24616 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 none pleased – 32 642427 449698 70.0% 18298 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 none pleased – 33 478127 334691 70.0% 14297 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 none pleased – 34 334934 234453 70.0% 11016 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 35 234645 166600 71.0% 8344 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 36 166879 118484 71.0% 6363 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 37 118811 84355 71.0% 5004 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 38 474494 336890 71.0% 14694 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 39 342202 242966 71.0% 11304 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 40 243197 172672 71.0% 8582 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 41 172903 122761 71.0% 6492 Res xp still affected by xp rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 42 122968 87310 71.0% 6691 hour after the first one in set, res xp still slightly affected by rate
450 somewhat easier – rain pleased – 43 87616 62210 71.0% 5053
450 none pleased – 44 62408 43685 70.0% 3806
450 none pleased – 45 214407 150087 70.0% 10902 over an hour after the second one in set, res xp no longer affected by rate
450 none pleased – 46 155288 108701 70.0% 8480
450 none pleased – 47 108908 76238 70.0% 6428
450 none pleased – 48 76469 53528 70.0% 4878
450 none concerned – 49 53747 37625 70.0% 3708
450 none concerned – 50 37973 26584 70.0% 2825
450 none concerned – 50 26815 18773 70.0% 2154
450 none pleased – 15 211990 148396 70.0% 10806
450 somewhat more difficult – can barely feel the presence of Pishe pleased – 5 153774 106104 69.0% 8321
450 somewhat more difficult – can barely feel the presence of Pishe concerned – 1 107502 74176 69.0% 6292
450 much more difficult – barely feel the presence of Pishe and gods have averted their eyes from this place (Granny's roof) pleased – 2 75799 45482 60.0% 4296
450 much more difficult – barely feel the presence of Pishe and Hat high altar pleased – 3 46265 27759 60.0% 2923
450 quite a bit more difficult -- barely feel the presence of Pishe, far from a sacred shower (Genua) pleased – 4 28404 19030 67.0% 2177
458 somewhat more difficult - far from a sacred shower (Genua), partially mitigated - actively worshipping Pishe pleased – 7 (quite good) 19639 13946 71.0% 2086 res xp less precise
458 quite a bit easier - actively worshipping Pishe, rain; somewhat negated - far from a sacred shower (Genua) very happy - 26 213111 153442 72.0% 11335
476 somewhat easier - rain pleased - 28 109216 81915 75% 6554
491 somewhat easier - rain pleased - 27 137619 103217 75% 4514
516 quite a bit easier - in an area considered holy, rain pleased (26 good) 298085 223566 75.0% 14484
516 somewhat more difficult - far from a sacred shower (Genua) pleased (~27 good) 231092 173321 75.0% 12282

Summary: xp return

  • Xp return (as a percentage) seems to depend purely on bonus and modifiers, not amount of xp the person died with, as a 450 bonus with no visible modifiers gets a 70% return on amounts from just over 26k, up to 30 million (the maximum xp someone can have).
  • A 458 bonus is enough to get the maximum return if a few ritual bonuses (high altar, and rain, and recently prayed) are applied.
  • A 476 bonus is enough to get the maximum return with one ritual bonus (being in the rain).
  • A 516 bonus is enough to get the maximum return even far from a high altar.

Summary: Pishite's xp

Res xp seems to be affected by the performer's xp rate, possibly in a similar manner to burial xp. Aside from this, the formula that res xp equals ((xp returned to ghost) ^ .78) fits well, although it's difficult to be sure without more data points.

Res xp table

This is a table of resses where both xp returned and the priest's res xp were fairly precisely known, and where the priest's xp rate wasn't high enough for there to be a penalty to res xp. (Alternatively, where 1)at least one of those was precisely know, 2)the slightly imprecise figure was enough xp that even an error of a few hundred would amount to less than a tenth of a percent, and the xp could be calculated to within a few hundred, and 3)the priest's xp rate wasn't high enough for a penalty. These have the "slightly doubtful" thing italicized.)

The last column is the log of the priest's res xp, in the base of (xp returned). In other words, the xp returned raised to the power of the number in that column equals the priest's res xp. This is rounded to three decimal places.

xp at death xp returned priest's res xp logxp returned(res xp)
4194 2183 401 .780
6123 3924 634 .780
9343 5238 795 .780
21265 8083 1116 .780
33782 20947 2349 .780
89659 33176 3362 .780
91897 41356 3992 .780
137109 83642 6909 .780
211836 127104 9580 .780
254258 170363 12038 .780
1517013 956128 46204 .780
1554299 996236 47085 .779
5147879 3397549 124255 .780
30000000 21000000 514396 .780

Res xp vs xp rate

This is a table of resses where the priest's xp rate (before the res) was known (precisely or not). More precise xp return and res xp are bolded.

When a range, or less than/greater than a certain amount is given, it means the xp rate was deduced (from timing of numberchasing achievements being achieved, and/or from the resses being part of a set of many in a row, such that the least the priest's xp rate could have been was the sum of the res xp from all the resses in the last hour). Otherwise it was taken from the achievement progress in Good Day shortly beforehand.

xp at death xp returned priest's res xp priest's xp rate
4194 2183 401 61700
6123 3924 634 58600
9343 5238 795 53900
21265 8083 1116 45100
33782 20947 2349 33400
89659 33176 3362 28100
137109 83642 6909 22300
18050 8303 1134 18400
42079 21884 2464 14900
91897 41356 3992 46200
161922 77725 6474 15600
197830 89023 6800 35300
211836 127104 9580 21400
254258 170363 12038 19800
109216 81915 6554 77900
137619 103217 4514 87000
5147879 3397549 124255 18900
30000000 21000000 514396 < 136428
21001557 14701092 349176 514396 - 650824
120657 84462 3818 863572 - 1000000
90221 64059 3098 867390 - 1003818
14702607 10879932 169776 870488 - 1006916
10880358 8160271 225162 525868 - 662296
8163036 5714125 186392 > 0
5714719 3771717 134798 > 186392
3772527 2640771 99598 > 321190
2641227 1848858 65223 > 420788
1849545 1294687 45305 > 486011
1309948 916963 33059 > 531316
917200 642043 24616 > 564375
642427 449698 18298 > 588991
478127 334691 14297 > 607289
334934 234453 11016 > 621586
234645 166600 8344 > 632602
166879 118484 6363 > 640946
118811 84355 5004 > 647309
474494 336890 14694 > 652313
342202 242966 11304 > 667007
243197 172672 8582 > 678311
172903 122761 6492 > 686893
122968 87310 6691 > 506993
87616 62210 5053 > 513684
62408 43685 3806 > 518737
214407 150087 10902 > 387745
155288 108701 8480 > 398647
108908 76238 6428 > 407127
76469 53528 4878 > 413555
53747 37625 3708 > 418433
37973 26584 2825 > 422141
26815 18773 2154 > 424966
211990 148396 10806 > 427120
153774 106104 8321 > 437926
107502 74176 6292 > 446247
75799 45482 4296 > 452539
46265 27759 2923 > 456835
28404 19030 2177 > 459758
19639 13946 2086 > 461935
213111 153442 11335 > 464021